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Farewell, Richard Jefferson.

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jking948 said:
He is a terrible defender.
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While he's not a lock down defender, most of his metrics show he's still serviceable.

2015: 108 DRTG, -0.5 DBPM, 0.9 DWS, 0.4 VORP, 14.4 opponent PER, +2.9 Net 48 as a SF.

Where he has really fallen off is his ability to guard multiple positions. His limited minutes at both PF and SG were downright bad.

When he was paired with a rim protector last season (Chandler), he was part of some of the better defensive lineups Dallas had, so having a similar player in Moz bodes well.

Ultimately he's still an elite catch and shoot guy. He shot 43.2% on catch and shoot 3PT attempts and his catch and shoot EFG was a really strong 62.2%. Both those numbers compare to JR's, who was one of the best catch and shoot guys in the league last year.

I don't get super excited about someone like Jefferson but at the minimum? Absolutely. He can still play 10-12 quality minutes, which is really all we need at the SF position.
 
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red. said:
Boooring. I would have taken a chance on Jeff Taylor.

I just hope we get something out of him. Really don't want another Marion.
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Jeff Taylor shot 32.4% on catch and shoot opportunities, which is his specialty shot. His Efg%, adjusted to take into account his three point attempts, was 50.0 overall. Jefferson Shot 42.9% on catch and shoot opportunities and 62.2 on his Efg%. You probably didn't notice how terrible Jeff Taylor was last season because he only played 29 games.
 
Never saw how he played the past few seasons since his Nets days so....

Before I talk shit about Griff, I wanna see how Jefferson fits with the team first.
 
I am kinda shocked at the level of dumbness in this thread. Most of the times it is a lot more intelligent and Level headed here.

Are people seriously letting their disapointment about not getting a 7 Time All Star(Johnson) or an perenial 6th Man of the Year(Crawford) for nothing(Haywood) out on the RJ signing? or what else is happening here?

Yes he is not the amazing starter Caliber guy we wished we would add. But he is not as horrible as some here claim.He can shoot is still pretty athletic for his age and no matter what some say he is not a terrible defender(not a good one anymore but he is not nearly horrible)

Also he is only getting the vet min so whats the problem??

We will propably turn Haywood into a TPE and at the deadline when Teams falling out of the playoff race are eager to save money we will get something decent for the TPE. Until then RJ is better than JJ or Miller as a 8-12 Minute guy.

And the critisism of our GM is pretty interesting. People are horribly nitpicky. He convinced Kyrie to stay,brought back Lebron,traded for Kevin Love,Mozgov,JR,Shump. now signed Mo..

Are people still mad that we didnt get Love while keeping Wiggins? or that Mozgov did cost 2 first rounders? Who in the mid to late first round this year would you draft that is better NOW than Mozgov? Tell me!

making exactly the right trades,shutting up rumors about Blatt beeing fired, etc

but hey people are still mad right?

cool
 
Is he our Shane Battier?

We need a Shane Battier
 
I'mWithDan said:
While he's not a lock down defender most of his metrics show he's still serviceable.

2015: 108 DRTG, -0.5 DBPM, 0.9 DWS, 0.4 VORP, 14.4 opponent PER, +2.9 Net 48 as a SF.

Where he has really fallen off is his ability to guard multiple positions. His limited minutes at both PF and SG were downright bad.

When he was paired with a rim protector last season (Chandler), he was part of some of the better defensive lineups Dallas had, so having a similar player in Moz bodes well.

Ultimately he's still an elite catch and shoot guy. He shot 43.2% on catch and shoot 3PT attempts and his catch and shoot EFG was a really strong 62.2%. Both those numbers compare to JR's, who was one of the best catch and shoot guys in the league last year.

I don't get super excited about someone like Jefferson but at the minimum? Absolutely. He can still play 10-12 quality minutes, which is really all we need at the SF position.
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As I said, it is an underwhelming signing. I'll give you credit, I was not aware of his breakdown per position on defense. I really feel this was a lateral move to Marion. I'm not complaining too much, because I don't know what was available and maybe RJ is the best we could've gotten, but a few sites/writers had articles claiming this is a great signing for Cavs/huge loss for Mavs. Neither of those are even close to being true.
 
Bob_The_Cat said:
Like it or not, RJ is significantly more valuable to our title chances this season than anyone we could have feasibly drafted.
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I think this point needs to be repeated because I don't think most people believe it, but it's most likely true.

I'm good with the signing. Would have preferred a young wing where there would be less risk of a fall-off, but the most obvious player who fits that description, Dorell Wright, has had some injury issues.

Less pleased that we are still likely to see James Jones back, but all the reasons already stated.

People for days were saying, When is the team going to do something? When are they going to get a backup SF? Sign Prince. Sign Wright. Sign anyone. And now when they do sign someone, people think they should have done better.

Before free agency, I put together a list of potential FA options at SF. Here is my list (no particular order), with the amount they have signed for:

Richard Jefferson -- 1 yr minimum
Mirza Teletovic -- 1/$5.5M
Jonas Jerebko -- 1 yr/$5M (plus team option for 2nd yr)
Wesley Johnson -- minimum
Jared Dudley -- didn't opt out, was traded, now hurt
Mbah a Moute -- unsigned/failed physical
Kyle Singler -- 5/$25M (last yr non-guaranteed)
Omri Casspi -- 2/$5.9M
Dorell Wright -- unsigned
Quincy Miller -- traded, contract guaranteed, not available

I didn't include a number of names on my list, including Tayshaun Prince and Caron Butler.

So in the context of my list, I can't be disappointed. Of course, we were hoping for a better/younger (remembering the "26-30" comment) player via the Haywood contract, but I thought realistically this was a good list, and the Cavs managed to get a guy from this list as well as Mo Williams, so despite some reservations I think that's a success.
 
Let me guess, he's going to be traded like Lou Amundson and is part of the Haywood deal

SOON
 
jking948 said:
As I said, it is an underwhelming signing. I'll give you credit, I was not aware of his breakdown per position on defense. I really feel this was a lateral move to Marion. I'm not complaining too much, because I don't know what was available and maybe RJ is the best we could've gotten, but a few sites/writers had articles claiming this is a great signing for Cavs/huge loss for Mavs. Neither of those are even close to being true.
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One of the really interesting sites for statistical breakdown is 82 games.

http://www.82games.com/1415/14DAL9.HTM

Seriously, look at how bad his numbers at SG and PF are. Even though they only account for a small percentage of his minutes, you can imagine how his metrics would be better if he had played only at SF....and even so, they aren't bad overall. They're right in the league average category, which is fine given the shooting he provides.

His net point ratings as a SF are still all above average but the minutes he logged at other positions (SG, PF, C) were wildly negative. That was all completely due to defense, as his offensive production was pretty flat / consistent regardless of what position he occupied. If he guards SF's, he still has plenty left IMO. If he doesn't, he's not going provide much of anything.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Jeff Taylor shot 32.4% on catch and shoot opportunities, which is his specialty shot. His Efg%, adjusted to take into account his three point attempts, was 50.0 overall. Jefferson Shot 42.9% on catch and shoot opportunities and 62.2 on his Efg%. You probably didn't notice how terrible Jeff Taylor was last season because he only played 29 games.
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I'll take the "has been" Richard Jefferson over the "never will be" Jeffrey Taylor any day of the week... Even though Jefferson's a shell of his former self, his season last year would qualify as Jeffrey Taylor's best season. It's not like Jeff just got in the league either, this will be his 4th year and it's about the time that teams realize he isn't going to get any better. He wasn't a HS guy that's 22 years old. He was a 4-year player that was supposedly NBA ready and now he's 26 years old and still not ready.

This is more of the "grass is greener" outlook so many have here. Joe Harris had better numbers than this guy last year and was in his 1st year instead of Taylor in his 3rd. Adding Taylor would essentially be adding a future Joe Harris that hasn't got any better and never realized his potential.
 
Richard Jefferson probably won't get much more than 10-12 minutes per night to spell LeBron. He's a great catch and shoot scorer and great in transition and still serviceable on defense, as detailed by other members in this thread.

If he performs similar to last season with Dallas, then I really like this signing. If he takes a Mike Miller/Shawn Marion-like decline, then fuck. He's coming for the vet minimum.
 
If you're bitching about Richard Jefferson, then you need to go find an hobby.
 
kovanovich said:
I think this point needs to be repeated because I don't think most people believe it, but it's most likely true.

I'm good with the signing. Would have preferred a young wing where there would be less risk of a fall-off, but the most obvious player who fits that description, Dorell Wright, has had some injury issues.

Less pleased that we are still likely to see James Jones back, but all the reasons already stated.

People for days were saying, When is the team going to do something? When are they going to get a backup SF? Sign Prince. Sign Wright. Sign anyone. And now when they do sign someone, people think they should have done better.

Before free agency, I put together a list of potential FA options at SF. Here is my list (no particular order), with the amount they have signed for:

Richard Jefferson -- 1 yr minimum
Mirza Teletovic -- 1/$5.5M
Jonas Jerebko -- 1 yr/$5M (plus team option for 2nd yr)
Wesley Johnson -- minimum
Jared Dudley -- didn't opt out, was traded, now hurt
Mbah a Moute -- unsigned/failed physical
Kyle Singler -- 5/$25M (last yr non-guaranteed)
Omri Casspi -- 2/$5.9M
Dorell Wright -- unsigned
Quincy Miller -- traded, contract guaranteed, not available

I didn't include a number of names on my list, including Tayshaun Prince and Caron Butler.

So in the context of my list, I can't be disappointed. Of course, we were hoping for a better/younger (remembering the "26-30" comment) player via the Haywood contract, but I thought realistically this was a good list, and the Cavs managed to get a guy from this list as well as Mo Williams, so despite some reservations I think that's a success.
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I don't really consider Dorell Wright a "young wing". He's more like a "journeyman wing". To me a "young wing" is someone who is still getting better. Dorell Wright is what he is at this point. He's 30, an above average shooter and a below average defender. He's in his 11th year in the league.

He was on my list of guys that were acceptable at SF but I don't really feel like we missed out in getting Jefferson instead of him. It'd be very hard to argue that Wright has been a better player than Jefferson in any year of his career and just like Jefferson is on the decline so is Wright.
 
Mdog1 said:
I mean we locked up our core for 4 years, upgraded our two weakest bench spots, and got Andy back from injury. If we compare every offseason to last years, it is going to be a big disapointment, but this was solid.

Can't wait to see Mo Williams instead of Delly off the bench, if I was guessing, he will be a 6MOY candidate.
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Keeping your own guys isn's a successful offseason, its assumed. We added mo williams and richard jefferson. We failed. Just once I would like to have a successful offseason that doesnt involve lebron doing all the legwork.
 
Not a big signing. I will say, however, that he does add one dimension to this team that Jones and Miller don't, and that's the ability to finish in transition.

It's my personal opinion that the Cavs are going to run quite a bit this season simply because they'll be much better defensively, which will lead to more transition opportunities.

Also, the 'second unit' aka guys that will be on the court without LeBron and/or Love is full of guys who play well in the open court. Kyrie, Mo, Shump, JR, TT, etc. Jefferson fits that, assuming he can still play.

I don't think he gives you much of anything defensively, and he'll hardly set the world on fire, but he's better than the bottom 4-5 players on the roster a year ago. Underwhelming upgrade that won't make much impact when it matters most.
 
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