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Farewell, Richard Jefferson.

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Rob said:
Apparently you haven't been paying much attention.
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Did I miss where we acquired talent? From the hypothetical lineups people are posting, I dont see any new names other then Williams and Jefferson?
 
This dude was a beast in transition when he was younger. He can still finish though.
 
Dr. Gymbo said:
I guess re-signing Kevin Love to a 5 year deal was nothing, right?

I don't understand why people are expecting miracles with what we have left to trade. We made all of our significant moves last summer and during the season.

This is a damn good team. After all of the turnover and disruption, I'm okay with locking up our core and going with some continuity. Let Blatt and the rest of the main core guys have more time together. Adding another splashy player would only add to more wrinkles that the staff would have to work on.
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Yes, resigning your own guy is nothing, its assumed. I swear to god every other team can turn hot garbage into whatever they need, every year, but the cavs. I don't disagree the team is good, I think we go to the finals next year as well, but other teams got better and we stayed pat. Our players are to fragile to do that.
 
You would think we have something against Jefferson... Oh wait.
 
Cassity14 said:
Not a big signing. I will say, however, that he does add one dimension to this team that Jones and Miller don't, and that's the ability to finish in transition.

It's my personal opinion that the Cavs are going to run quite a bit this season simply because they'll be much better defensively, which will lead to more transition opportunities.

Also, the 'second unit' aka guys that will be on the court without LeBron and/or Love is full of guys who play well in the open court. Kyrie, Mo, Shump, JR, TT, etc. Jefferson fits that, assuming he can still play.

I don't think he gives you much of anything defensively, and he'll hardly set the world on fire, but he's better than the bottom 4-5 players on the roster a year ago. Underwhelming upgrade that won't make much impact when it matters most.
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I really like a lot of this post but I want to address the bold quickly. Better than the bottom 4-5 players on the roster last season, for me, represents a significant upgrade. Considering the first 7-8 healthy players form the bulk of the vital playing time on any given night, having a veteran that won't miss 'gimmies' and layups (ala Marion) could really come in handy. Jefferson gives you what we need right now - more shooting - plus, he provides dimensional depth in transition to deliver something extra that we currently don't have on this team.

I'm not trying to pick on you on personally Cassity, rather using yours as an example, but the sentence 'underwhelming upgrade that won't make much impact when it matters most' might be the general overstated sentiment on the board at the moment. Sure, there's no arguing that he's not a signing that blows the roof off. But when we're talking about 'impact when it matters most,' we've already got a pretty solid crux of guys who take care of this for us. Even if he was the kind of player to stamp his mark on games as a go-to option in the playoffs, we've already got a pretty reliable first, second, third and even fourth option on our team for this kind of scenario.

So when we talk about being better than the bottom 4-5 players but not making an impact when it matters most, this might actually be the kind of handy player we'll need moving forward. Somebody that can fill that 8-12 roster spot but doesn't have to be called upon to step up big in pivotal situations.

I'll continue to harp on about the most important figure: 33-3 with a healthy, full roster last season. It doesn't matter who you add to this team, if our main guys aren't healthy, then there's no number of roster upgrades we can execute that will work in our favor heading into a playoff run. Keep our guys healthy, and take care of business with veterans and shooters. This is the mantra of the front office at this point, and I don't see why they should have any reason to think otherwise given the evidence.
 
Ruggeder said:
Keeping your own guys isn's a successful offseason, its assumed. We added mo williams and richard jefferson. We failed. Just once I would like to have a successful offseason that doesnt involve lebron doing all the legwork.
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Retaining an all star, a young wing below market value, adding a couple of solid vets, is a good off season. We aren't getting KL, and LeBron every offseason, it just isn't possible. When you have 3 million to offer players, you aren't getting the big fish.

We upgraded two positions, and got healthy, solid offseason for a team that was nearly a champion missing two all stars.
 
Scar4343 said:
I don't really consider Dorell Wright a "young wing". He's more like a "journeyman wing". To me a "young wing" is someone who is still getting better. Dorell Wright is what he is at this point. He's 30, an above average shooter and a below average defender. He's in his 11th year in the league.

He was on my list of guys that were acceptable at SF but I don't really feel like we missed out in getting Jefferson instead of him. It'd be very hard to argue that Wright has been a better player than Jefferson in any year of his career and just like Jefferson is on the decline so is Wright.
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Maybe "youngish" or youngish vet would be a better way of saying it. Didn't mean to imply someone who is getting better, and I don't think Griffin meant that when he specified the 26-30 age range. I think Griffin's point is that he wanted to add an established veteran or two, but it was always going to be difficult to get the right guy with the vet minimum and the MMLE.
 
Ruggeder said:
Yes, resigning your own guy is nothing, its assumed. I swear to god every other team can turn hot garbage into whatever they need, every year, but the cavs. I don't disagree the team is good, I think we go to the finals next year as well, but other teams got better and we stayed pat. Our players are to fragile to do that.
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So retaining all of our own players, and adding to our depth (Mo, Jefferson) is standing pat?

No. It is getting better.
 
It was a signing that came out of nowhere, but I'm okay with it. Just hope he produces better than Marion, Miller and Jones all did. Miller and Jones better get that MJ special stuff from Space Jam though.
 
Just remember the 2nd unit is Mo-Delly-JR-TT-Andy

RJ is a wild card. No need to get high blood pressure over an 11th man.
 
CavsSimmy said:
I really like a lot of this post but I want to address the bold quickly. Better than the bottom 4-5 players on the roster last season, for me, represents a significant upgrade. Considering the first 7-8 healthy players form the bulk of the vital playing time on any given night, having a veteran that won't miss 'gimmies' and layups (ala Marion) could really come in handy. Jefferson gives you what we need right now - more shooting - plus, he provides dimensional depth in transition to deliver something extra that we currently don't have on this team.

I'm not trying to pick on you on personally Cassity, rather using yours as an example, but the sentence 'underwhelming upgrade that won't make much impact when it matters most' might be the general overstated sentiment on the board at the moment. Sure, there's no arguing that he's not a signing that blows the roof off. But when we're talking about 'impact when it matters most,' we've already got a pretty solid crux of guys who take care of this for us. Even if he was the kind of player to stamp his mark on games as a go-to option in the playoffs, we've already got a pretty reliable first, second, third and even fourth option on our team for this kind of scenario.

So when we talk about being better than the bottom 4-5 players but not making an impact when it matters most, this might actually be the kind of handy player we'll need moving forward. Somebody that can fill that 8-12 roster spot but doesn't have to be called upon to step up big in pivotal situations.

I'll continue to harp on about the most important figure: 33-3 with a healthy, full roster last season. It doesn't matter who you add to this team, if our main guys aren't healthy, then there's no number of roster upgrades we can execute that will work in our favor heading into a playoff run. Keep our guys healthy, and take care of business with veterans and shooters. This is the mantra of the front office at this point, and I don't see why they should have any reason to think otherwise given the evidence.
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Oh I entirely agree! I think the point about what this team a year ago is often overlooked lately. I just don't want to try to bill Jefferson as a missing piece or anything like that haha.

I'd like to expand on what you mentioned, though. How many of the recent NBA champions made a MAJOR roster move in the offseason before winning the title? Golden State did not, San Antonio did not, Miami added Allen to a champion team and Battier to the team that lost to Dallas. Dallas did not make any huge moves. The list goes on and on.

Talent and continuity wins in the NBA. The Cavs have the former and with this offseason, have created the latter. They've also made some depth acquisitions that as you mention, still are roster upgrades.
 
Technically, getting two all-stars back healthy is definitely not standing pat, and is definitely my definition of getting better. Let alone the other moves we make.

I know people want us to do more, but Griffin put basically all the last remaining ammo in the chamber for the Mozgov, JR, and Shump trades.

If that didn't work out, you'd have every right to flame him, for the horrible job he's done. Because that would have REALLY set us back, and maybe ruin a chance of winning anything, but it didn't. It actually saved us.

Unless for some reason you regret those trades, not really surprised we couldn't do anything significantly big this off-season, given the little, to really no assets left.

I think the Mo signing was really big personally, though.

We go into next year with five guys, Mo, JR, Kyrie, Love, and obviously 'Bron that can explode offensively.

We did not have 5 guys last year capable of giving you that kind of offensive production.
 
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Rob said:
So retaining all of our own players, and adding to our depth (Mo, Jefferson) is standing pat?

No. It is getting better.
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Once again, yes retaining your own guys isn't getting better, its nothing. If Mo Williams and the corpse of richard jefferson is better, then you win.
 
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