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There has to be a perfect storm to be able to start a rookie quarterback.

When we threw Tim Couch to the wolves, he was never going to succeed. Our line was terrible, and we had no weapons on offense. Throw in the fact everyone was new and there was no continuity. There should be a rule against starting a rookie quarterback on an expansion team.

This situation is different. We have a strong offensive line and some decent weapons. But most importantly, we have a head coach that has built part of his reputation on knowing when a quarterback is ready.

If/when Hue says Kizer is good to go, then great.

If hes not ready, i won't have a problem with Kizer learning and gaining confidence before being run out there.
 
Seems to me that they're positioning Kizer to be the week one starter, but they don't just want to come right out and say it because they want it perceived both by Kizer and the fans that he earned the job rather than just had it handed to him.
 
SuperSurge said:
There has to be a perfect storm to be able to start a rookie quarterback.

When we threw Tim Couch to the wolves, he was never going to succeed. Our line was terrible, and we had no weapons on offense. Throw in the fact everyone was new and there was no continuity. There should be a rule against starting a rookie quarterback on an expansion team.

This situation is different. We have a strong offensive line and some decent weapons. But most importantly, we have a head coach that has built part of his reputation on knowing when a quarterback is ready.

If/when Hue says Kizer is good to go, then great.

If hes not ready, i won't have a problem with Kizer learning and gaining confidence before being run out there.
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Eventhough i can see sitting kizer a few weeks, I do agree. I think the weapons are still a bit light though.

Successful Rookies Like Cowboys last year or Seattle a few years ago were much, much stronger defenses.

I think throwing Kizer out now is not as bad as Couch, but we were 1-15 last year for a reason, and it wasnt coaching imo. We will be improved, but still have allot of holes and allot of the holes that were filled, were filled with rookies.
 
Jack Brickman said:
Seems to me that they're positioning Kizer to be the week one starter, but they don't just want to come right out and say it because they want it perceived both by Kizer and the fans that he earned the job rather than just had it handed to him.
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Additonally, hes being given the lion's share of the snaps. Hes being set up to have the most playing time, meaning I think the coaches want an extended look at him to see if he is ready.
 
Amherstcavsfan said:
Additonally, hes being given the lion's share of the snaps. Hes being set up to have the most playing time, meaning I think the coaches want an extended look at him to see if he is ready.
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Personally, I think Kizer needs to get a lot of playing time this year because, heading into next spring, we need to know with at least some certainty if he can be the guy for us. If he is, we can use our draft capital on other things. If he's not, we need to try to find the QB who is and we can use our draft capital for that.
 
Unless Kizer has a glass jaw psychologically, and the confidence and commitment he's shown with regards to preparation and studying his weaknesses, then a few weeks of growth on the bench isn't going to do shit for him.

Reps mean everything, and unless you feel like the kids confidence is going to crack playing early, or you don't have the offensive talent to support him, he should be the guy.

Because, and I can't stress this enough, Brock Osweiler is fucking terrible.
 
Lee said:
That said arm talent and accuracy is probably 70% of what is needed of a good qb, its the other 30% Kizer needs to learn. Still a very important 30%, but very encouraging so far on Kizer for sure.
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I'm not going to guess the exact percentages of physical talent to mental part of the game, but if a power arm was all a QB needed, Weeden should have worked out as a starter. Weeden had a lot of issues and I wouldn't say Kizer shares all of them. I like what I see from Kizer so far, but I also see that Hue isn't giving him the full playbook. I'm sure he is very smart, but defensive coordinators LOVE attacking an inexperienced rookie QB. The game doesn't really slow down for rookies at any position for a while. Even Garrett and Peppers are going to be out there making mistakes all year. For Osweiler, the game has already slowed down for him. He knows how to pace an offense, run the full playbook. If the coaches want to protect Kizer by shortening his season and avoiding a bloodbath at the hands of the Steelers in the opener, Hue has my support.
 
AZ_ said:
Unless Kizer has a glass jaw psychologically, and the confidence and commitment he's shown with regards to preparation and studying his weaknesses, then a few weeks of growth on the bench isn't going to do shit for him.

Reps mean everything, and unless you feel like the kids confidence is going to crack playing early, or you don't have the offensive talent to support him, he should be the guy.

Because, and I can't stress this enough, Brock Osweiler is fucking terrible.
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The fact Kizer is not comfortable calling plays in the huddle and is way behind learning to audible are the two things sitting him a bit will help with time.

He doesnt even have half the playbook yet, and sitting him the first few weeks is more about extending the pre-season for kizer to get him more up to speed.

Brock is bad though, but nothing worse than we havent seen recently. I think Kizer could start by Week 4 or 5, no need to wait until the bye week.
 
Lee said:
The fact Kizer is not comfortable calling plays in the huddle and is way behind learning to audible are the two things sitting him a bit will help with time.

He doesnt even have half the playbook yet, and sitting him the first few weeks is more about extending the pre-season for kizer to get him more up to speed.
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Uh...what? Where is this from?
 
Legit feel they're punting against Pitt
 
Osweiler is fucking bad. You will all see it, it's going to be a waste of 3-4 games and then the rookie will get in there. How many QBs really get ruined from starting day one? Are we going to be trotting out the Tim Couch analogy ten years from now still? Plenty of guys start from day one and turn out fine. Sometimes, you have to take your lumps. If they crumble and never recover, they probably weren't any good to begin with.
 
Chris said:
Osweiler is fucking bad. You will all see it, it's going to be a waste of 3-4 games and then the rookie will get in there. How many QBs really get ruined from starting day one? Are we going to be trotting out the Tim Couch analogy ten years from now still? Plenty of guys start from day one and turn out fine. Sometimes, you have to take your lumps. If they crumble and never recover, they probably weren't any good to begin with.
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Tim Couch was the only QB since the returned who I feel was actually ruined.

The rest just sucked.
 
Amherstcavsfan said:
Uh...what? Where is this from?
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It is easy to tell from watching game film. Kizer never called an audible the entire time he was out there when it came to the preseason scrimmage and the first game. He still doesn't have all the playbook down. Osweiler on the other hand has been given a lot more of the playbook and seems to know it well. The question now is: can Osweiler make all the throws needed to win vs Kizer's ability to read the defense and not throw into it with a limited playbook.

DJTJ said:
Tim Couch was the only QB since the returned who I feel was actually ruined.

The rest just sucked.
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I pretty much have to agree with this! Couch was a prospect we ruined, the rest were just mostly bad choices drafting wise. I never wanted any of the QBs we drafted and I think a fair amount of people agree with the fact they never wanted them either.
 
sportscoach said:
It is easy to tell from watching game film. Kizer never called an audible the entire time he was out there when it came to the preseason scrimmage and the first game. He still doesn't have all the playbook down. Osweiler on the other hand has been given a lot more of the playbook and seems to know it well. The question now is: can Osweiler make all the throws needed to win vs Kizer's ability to read the defense and not throw into it with a limited playbook.
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No...it's not easy to tell from the game film. And you don't call audibles in the fucking preseason in your first action...

Christ.


Kizer opens up more of your playbook because he can

1. Run
2. Move in the pocket
3. Is not awful
 
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