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Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

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Is Kevin Love a Hero for Saving a Dog?

  • Yes

    Votes: 28 48.3%

  • Too Right!

    Votes: 2 3.4%

  • Hotter than Jimmy G

    Votes: 15 25.9%

  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 13 22.4%
  • Total voters
    58
Sir'Dom Pointer said:
Young isn't that good...lol

He is in the 41th Percentile in overall defensive efficiency and ranked 153rd out of 243 Forwards.

He is just average defending the 3pt line and average defending catch and shoot...

Average defending in the post and slighly below average defending Spot Ups.
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It doesn't matter what the numbers say. He has fought Kevin Love to a standstill.

The thing that sticks out to me here is the 3 pt line. If Kevin can get it going from 3, the entire defense will have to adjust and the Pacers get blown out. Kevin has to start hitting those shots.

He is not scoring in the post, better spot up.
 
Cavatt said:
It doesn't matter what the numbers say. He has fought Kevin Love to a standstill.

The thing that sticks out to me here is the 3 pt line. If Kevin can get it going from 3, the entire defense will have to adjust and the Pacers get blown out. Kevin has to start hitting those shots.

He is not scoring in the post, better spot up.
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He's actually been shooting well from behind the arc, oddly enough .. He's right at 40% from 3 over 4 games, averaging 2 made 3's per 5 attempts a game.

One would argue he should be taking more shots but, it's hard to spoon-feed someone more than 12 attempts a game. Some of these shots he's got to create for himself within the offense.
 
Maybe Love just plow someone over in the post once early in the game.

I mean shit, it's the playoffs. Might as well give it a try.

Kinda like throwing high and inside when someone's crowding the plate.

What's the worst that can happen? Flag 1?
 
For anyone piling on Love..........go bash your thumb with a hammer and then try to shoot 25-26 footers, while being guarded by someone who is 6'10". Let me know how many you make.

Even when he isn't scoring, his gravity has a very large positive effect on our offense. His series is disappointing to this point but if the thumb injury is manageable (mild grade 2), he should slowly feel a bit better if we advance.

Him losing balls has been disappointing but you can see he is trying to favor securing the ball with his right hand.....doing anything with just one hand at this level is going to put you at a disadvantage and credit Indiana for being really aggressive when Love gets the ball. They are testing how good Love's thumb feels securing the basketball against pressure and he's turned it over a lot against that aggression.
 
How does that saying in Football go like...."Your best ability is your availability"???

Something like that, but either way, this applies to KLove. It seems like he is always hurt, especially in the playoffs.

All the talent in the world wont mean anything if he is always hurt, or cannot get in a rhythm mid game, or blah blah blah.

I'm getting fed up with his "potential". We NEED our #2.
 
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Tlyons said:
Maybe Love just plow someone over in the post once early in the game.

I mean shit, it's the playoffs. Might as well give it a try.

Kinda like throwing high and inside when someone's crowding the plate.

What's the worst that can happen? Flag 1?
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That's how he got in Foul trouble. Not only is he getting called for BS offensive fouls, he is getting called for BS defensive fouls. Like very little respect from the refs. Every pacer is allowed to be more physical with him than he is on the other end.

gourimoko said:
He's actually been shooting well from behind the arc, oddly enough .. He's right at 40% from 3 over 4 games, averaging 2 made 3's per 5 attempts a game.

One would argue he should be taking more shots but, it's hard to spoon-feed someone more than 12 attempts a game. Some of these shots he's got to create for himself within the offense.
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I think running him with Nance more should be the thing to do. Run him off some screens to get 3's on the perimeter. When he was hitting 3's at a good clip before the playoffs he made the space way better. Hell I would let TT be center for a bit to give Love some more shots on the perimeter.

One thing is for sure. They have beat the fuck out of Love down low. No reason to keep going to that well. He should literally pass the ball every time he is matched up on young and doesn't have a step on him.

Love has also been holding the ball too long. If he hesitates at all Young is fast enough to stop him. Go go go is what I say
 
Tlyons said:
Maybe Love just plow someone over in the post once early in the game.

I mean shit, it's the playoffs. Might as well give it a try.

Kinda like throwing high and inside when someone's crowding the plate.

What's the worst that can happen? Flag 1?
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Wouldn't be against that, take a hard foul, risk a tech, get angry. Bit of a failure on Lue's part that he is not making a commotion on the sidelines over how Love and Bron are being hammered every play. Especially at the Q, get the crowd into it, a bit of hostility, this team needs all the help they can get.

One thing Love has been doing fairly well is securing offensive rebounds, would be on him to kick them back out unless he is open.
 
MediumBaller said:
Park Love's ass at a donut shop and don't let him leave until he's gained 30 pounds. We need fat Love back.
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I'mWithDan said:
For anyone piling on Love..........go bash your thumb with a hammer and then try to shoot 25-26 footers, while being guarded by someone who is 6'10". Let me know how many you make.

Even when he isn't scoring, his gravity has a very large positive effect on our offense. His series is disappointing to this point but if the thumb injury is manageable (mild grade 2), he should slowly feel a bit better if we advance.

Him losing balls has been disappointing but you can see he is trying to favor securing the ball with his right hand.....doing anything with just one hand at this level is going to put you at a disadvantage and credit Indiana for being really aggressive when Love gets the ball. They are testing how good Love's thumb feels securing the basketball against pressure and he's turned it over a lot against that aggression.
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Im piling on Love. Just not for losing the ball or missing shots. That hammer to the thumb as you say must have damaged his legs and crushed his heart too. You cant be oblivious to the laziness he displays multiple times a game on simple things like not hustling back on defense or staying to argue a call. Simple things like this will cost you in a close game.

Anyone taking up for Love is blatantly ignoring these plays. His gravity as you say means nothing. If he is scoring he is an asset. If he isn't, then those plays where he gives up a few easy baskets make him a liability. Go back and watch the third quarter and see if you can find a few examples of this in that quarter alone.

Again it has nothing to do with his thumb, losing the ball, or missing shots. Its about choosing to give your all, at least during the playoffs.
 
Love and Westbrook are good friends... best friends, as far as I understand it.

OKC might be a better environment for him...

Option 1 (minimum changes):
If George is willing to opt-in, a straight up trade would be perfect... nuff said.

Option 2 (Get a legit rim protector):
If he wants to get his $30M right now though, then if James were willing to take a one-year $10M paycut, Cavs could do the following:

Love+Korver(for salary reasons) for George+OKC's first via S&T;
Thompson+Hill+Smith+BKN for Kemba+Howard+MKG/Williams;
Cavs give Hood his qualifying offer
Cavs do not bring back Calderon or Jeff Green, and don't use MLE.
Cavs sign LeBron to a 1+1 @ $25M.

Kemba/George/James/Williams/Howard or Kemba/MKG/James/Howard

With a bench of Hood, Nance, Cedi, Zizic...

Option 3 (Everybody gets paid):
If James wants his max, and George wants his max you could still do it:

Love+Clarkson for George+OKC's first via S&T (Cavs -$6.3M)
Thompson+Smith+BKN for Kemba+Willams/MKG+Bacon/Hernangomez (Cavs -$5.5 avg)
Cavs QO to Rodney Hood

Cavs could max both LeBron and George in this instance; would field:

LeBron: $35.5M
George: $30.3M
Hill: $19M (ugh)
Walker: $12M
MKG/Williams: (avg $13.25M, pick one)
Korver: $7.5M
Osman: $2.8M
Hood: $3.6M QO
Zizc: $2M
Nance: $2M
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~$92.5M before LeBron (-1 roster slot of $550k)
Leaves us $36.5M (-0.5M) below the apron...

James could take all of that money, or, he could leave $10M on the table for the Cavs to use the full MLE and the BAE.

Option 4 (End the Tax):
To modify the the above trade, instead of MKG/Williams just make it MKG+Williams, add in "Juylan Stone" from the Hornets to make salaries work, and that brings the Cavs even further down in salary while replacing the corpse of George Hill.

So the Hornets trade would actually be:

Hill+Thompson+Smith+BKN (3 Players / $51M) for
Kemba+MKG+Williams+ Stone+Bacon (5 Players, $41.5M)

Obviously Stone and Bacon get cut, so it's effectively a swap of 3 players from each team, so roster slots shouldn't be an issue.

Not sure if I prefer this or Howard, and salary wise Kemba+Howard is equal to Kemba+MKG+Williams; but this does make for a versatile lineup...

At the end of a trade like this, with James fully maxed out, the Cavs would actually be significantly below the tax line (by ~$6.5M)....

James, George, Walker, Williams, MKG, Osman, Hood, Zizic, Nance, + 3 roster slots.

Not world-beaters, but, a fieldable team nonetheless. Perhaps one that could create a defensive identity?
 
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gourimoko said:
Love and Westbrook are good friends... best friends, as far as I understand it.

OKC might be a better environment for him...

Option 1 (minimum changes):
If George is willing to opt-in, a straight up trade would be perfect... nuff said.

Option 2 (Get a legit rim protector):
If he wants to get his $30M right now though, then if James were willing to take a one-year $10M paycut, Cavs could do the following:

Love+Korver(for salary reasons) for George+OKC's first via S&T;
Thompson+Hill+Smith+BKN for Kemba+Howard+MKG/Williams;
Cavs give Hood his qualifying offer
Cavs do not bring back Calderon or Jeff Green, and don't use MLE.
Cavs sign LeBron to a 1+1 @ $25M.

Kemba/George/James/Williams/Howard or Kemba/MKG/James/Howard

With a bench of Hood, Nance, Cedi, Zizic...

Option 3 (Everybody gets paid):
If James wants his max, and George wants his max you could still do it:

Love+Clarkson for George+OKC's first via S&T (Cavs -$6.3M)
Thompson+Smith+BKN for Kemba+Willams/MKG+Bacon/Hernangomez (Cavs -$5.5 avg)
Cavs QO to Rodney Hood

Cavs could max both LeBron and George in this instance; would field:

LeBron: $35.5M
George: $30.3M
Hill: $19M (ugh)
Walker: $12M
MKG/Williams: (avg $13.25M, pick one)
Korver: $7.5M
Osman: $2.8M
Hood: $3.6M QO
Zizc: $2M
Nance: $2M
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~$92.5M before LeBron (-1 roster slot of $550k)
Leaves us $36.5M (-0.5M) below the apron...

James could take all of that money, or, he could leave $10M on the table for the Cavs to use the full MLE and the BAE.

Option 4 (End the Tax):
To modify the the above trade, instead of MKG/Williams just make it MKG+Williams, add in "Juylan Stone" from the Hornets to make salaries work, and that brings the Cavs even further down in salary while replacing the corpse of George Hill.

So the Hornets trade would actually be:

Hill+Thompson+Smith+BKN (3 Players / $51M) for
Kemba+MKG+Williams+ Stone+Bacon (5 Players, $41.5M)

Obviously Stone and Bacon get cut, so it's effectively a swap of 3 players from each team, so roster slots shouldn't be an issue.

Not sure if I prefer this or Howard, and salary wise Kemba+Howard is equal to Kemba+MKG+Williams; but this does make for a versatile lineup...

At the end of a trade like this, with James fully maxed out, the Cavs would actually be significantly below the tax line (by ~$6.5M)....

James, George, Walker, Williams, MKG, Osman, Hood, Zizic, Nance, + 3 roster slots.

Not world-beaters, but, a fieldable team nonetheless. Perhaps one that could create a defensive identity?
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Option 2 destroys the Warriors (or Houston).

Too many defenders, a lot of shooting, too many creators, a rim protector and a bully inside that makes the GSW Small-Ball line-up untenable.
 
gourimoko said:
Love and Westbrook are good friends... best friends, as far as I understand it.

OKC might be a better environment for him...

Option 1 (minimum changes):
If George is willing to opt-in, a straight up trade would be perfect... nuff said.

Option 2 (Get a legit rim protector):
If he wants to get his $30M right now though, then if James were willing to take a one-year $10M paycut, Cavs could do the following:

Love+Korver(for salary reasons) for George+OKC's first via S&T;
Thompson+Hill+Smith+BKN for Kemba+Howard+MKG/Williams;
Cavs give Hood his qualifying offer
Cavs do not bring back Calderon or Jeff Green, and don't use MLE.
Cavs sign LeBron to a 1+1 @ $25M.

Kemba/George/James/Williams/Howard or Kemba/MKG/James/Howard

With a bench of Hood, Nance, Cedi, Zizic...

Option 3 (Everybody gets paid):
If James wants his max, and George wants his max you could still do it:

Love+Clarkson for George+OKC's first via S&T (Cavs -$6.3M)
Thompson+Smith+BKN for Kemba+Willams/MKG+Bacon/Hernangomez (Cavs -$5.5 avg)
Cavs QO to Rodney Hood

Cavs could max both LeBron and George in this instance; would field:

LeBron: $35.5M
George: $30.3M
Hill: $19M (ugh)
Walker: $12M
MKG/Williams: (avg $13.25M, pick one)
Korver: $7.5M
Osman: $2.8M
Hood: $3.6M QO
Zizc: $2M
Nance: $2M
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~$92.5M before LeBron (-1 roster slot of $550k)
Leaves us $36.5M (-0.5M) below the apron...

James could take all of that money, or, he could leave $10M on the table for the Cavs to use the full MLE and the BAE.

Option 4 (End the Tax):
To modify the the above trade, instead of MKG/Williams just make it MKG+Williams, add in "Juylan Stone" from the Hornets to make salaries work, and that brings the Cavs even further down in salary while replacing the corpse of George Hill.

So the Hornets trade would actually be:

Hill+Thompson+Smith+BKN (3 Players / $51M) for
Kemba+MKG+Williams+ Stone+Bacon (5 Players, $41.5M)

Obviously Stone and Bacon get cut, so it's effectively a swap of 3 players from each team, so roster slots shouldn't be an issue.

Not sure if I prefer this or Howard, and salary wise Kemba+Howard is equal to Kemba+MKG+Williams; but this does make for a versatile lineup...

At the end of a trade like this, with James fully maxed out, the Cavs would actually be significantly below the tax line (by ~$6.5M)....

James, George, Walker, Williams, MKG, Osman, Hood, Zizic, Nance, + 3 roster slots.

Not world-beaters, but, a fieldable team nonetheless. Perhaps one that could create a defensive identity?
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I already put togther a team that would be much easier to obtain and would obliterate the team you put together .

Hill / JC
Kawhi / Clarkson
Lebron / Hood
Love / Frye
Kanter / Nance

Also saves me the headache of listening to the daily Cedi/Zizic love fest. JR/Korver/TT also gone. Calderon is okay at the vet min.

Cavs lotto pic
Cedi
Zizic
TT
Korver
JR

For

Kawhi
Kanter
Mid-late 1st round pick to snag up JC

I’m offering up young talent/top 8 pick and expiring contracts and forming a big 4 that would destroy the NBA over the next 3-4 years. After year 1 trade Hills expiring for a back up PG and or a big to replace Frye. Boom !!
 
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CTownSportsFan said:
I already put togther a team that would be much easier to obtain and would obliterate the team you put together .

Hill / JC
Kawhi / Clarkson
Lebron / Hood
Love / Frye
Kanter / Nance

Also saves me the headache of listening to the daily Cedi/Zizic love fest. JR/Korver/TT also gone. Calderon is okay at the vet min.

Cavs lotto pic
Cedi
Zizic
TT
Korver
JR

For

Kawhi
Kanter
Mid-late 1st round pick to snag up JC

I’m offering up young talent/top 8 pick and expiring contracts and forming a big 4 that would destroy the NBA over the next 3-4 years. After year 1 trade Hills expiring for a back up PG and or a big to replace Frye. Boom !!
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You don't see any issue with a Love and Kanter front court?

Especially with Frye added that won't be a viable front court and it's not only because Frye isn't even on this team anymore
 
gourimoko said:
Love and Westbrook are good friends... best friends, as far as I understand it.

OKC might be a better environment for him...

Option 1 (minimum changes):
If George is willing to opt-in, a straight up trade would be perfect... nuff said.

Option 2 (Get a legit rim protector):
If he wants to get his $30M right now though, then if James were willing to take a one-year $10M paycut, Cavs could do the following:

Love+Korver(for salary reasons) for George+OKC's first via S&T;
Thompson+Hill+Smith+BKN for Kemba+Howard+MKG/Williams;
Cavs give Hood his qualifying offer
Cavs do not bring back Calderon or Jeff Green, and don't use MLE.
Cavs sign LeBron to a 1+1 @ $25M.

Kemba/George/James/Williams/Howard or Kemba/MKG/James/Howard

With a bench of Hood, Nance, Cedi, Zizic...

Option 3 (Everybody gets paid):
If James wants his max, and George wants his max you could still do it:

Love+Clarkson for George+OKC's first via S&T (Cavs -$6.3M)
Thompson+Smith+BKN for Kemba+Willams/MKG+Bacon/Hernangomez (Cavs -$5.5 avg)
Cavs QO to Rodney Hood

Cavs could max both LeBron and George in this instance; would field:

LeBron: $35.5M
George: $30.3M
Hill: $19M (ugh)
Walker: $12M
MKG/Williams: (avg $13.25M, pick one)
Korver: $7.5M
Osman: $2.8M
Hood: $3.6M QO
Zizc: $2M
Nance: $2M
----------------
~$92.5M before LeBron (-1 roster slot of $550k)
Leaves us $36.5M (-0.5M) below the apron...

James could take all of that money, or, he could leave $10M on the table for the Cavs to use the full MLE and the BAE.

Option 4 (End the Tax):
To modify the the above trade, instead of MKG/Williams just make it MKG+Williams, add in "Juylan Stone" from the Hornets to make salaries work, and that brings the Cavs even further down in salary while replacing the corpse of George Hill.

So the Hornets trade would actually be:

Hill+Thompson+Smith+BKN (3 Players / $51M) for
Kemba+MKG+Williams+ Stone+Bacon (5 Players, $41.5M)

Obviously Stone and Bacon get cut, so it's effectively a swap of 3 players from each team, so roster slots shouldn't be an issue.

Not sure if I prefer this or Howard, and salary wise Kemba+Howard is equal to Kemba+MKG+Williams; but this does make for a versatile lineup...

At the end of a trade like this, with James fully maxed out, the Cavs would actually be significantly below the tax line (by ~$6.5M)....

James, George, Walker, Williams, MKG, Osman, Hood, Zizic, Nance, + 3 roster slots.

Not world-beaters, but, a fieldable team nonetheless. Perhaps one that could create a defensive identity?
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FWIW I think you'll get your wish that Love will be gone after this season regardless of whether Lebron stays or leaves. Love is one of the most valuable trade pieces we have and he would bring back a substantial player.

If Lebron stays it will be because there will be a significant shake-up of the whole roster using Love, the pick, and our expiring contracts.

If Lebron leaves then everything will get blown up. Either way Love is gone after this playoff run. I think the worm has turned between Love and Lebron as well, and Love is tired of the bullshit associated with this team. I have no evidence other than general body language, reading between the lines, etc.
 
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fan0283 said:
You don't see any issue with a Love and Kanter front court?

Especially with Frye added that won't be a viable front court and it's not only because Frye isn't even on this team anymore
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Frye is Loves back up with providing the stretch 4 role . Sign him for vet min. I see no issues with Love / Kanter front court . Kanter was a top 5 center this year . And he brings an added toughness to slap around bitches like Turner.
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