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John Beilein: Continuing his education

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Grade the coaching hire

  • A+

    Votes: 13 13.0%

  • A

    Votes: 51 51.0%

  • B

    Votes: 30 30.0%

  • C

    Votes: 4 4.0%

  • D

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • F

    Votes: 2 2.0%
  • Total voters
    100
  • Poll closed .
NMCav said:
I think thats disrespectful to Coby White who is better right now and has much more upside. Poole was an inefficient college scorer who doesn't really have any passing/court vision skills. Coby White really broke out in the 2nd half of the season for UNC. Poole never really had any moments. Poole hit some big shots but his BBall IQ is down right terrible.

As for me I think Michigans best prospect is Iggy Brazdeikis but he shouldn't be picked before the 2nd round. But he would be far better choice with the 26th pick instead of Poole. But hopefully we get neither unless we buy a 2nd round pick.
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Sure, that's why I said Poole's a poor man's Coby White. Not quite as promising offensively, and questionable defensively in the same kind of way (tweener guard without much toughness or lateral agility).
 
KilgoreTrout said:
Didn’t Kevin hate Blatt’s complicated offense? How do we know he will like THIS one?
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My question would be, what did we even run from Blatt's system? Just really devolved in to LeBron's frankenstein offense where we pretended to sort of run plays that were called.

Blatt was also a really abrasive personality. Beilein is the opposite. He empowers his players to understand his system and then make decisions based on defensive reaction and alignment.

High BBall IQ bigs with passing and shooting skills will just thrive in his offense. Go find videos where they break down offensive sets and notice how often bigs touch the ball. When Beilein has a good one, on many occasions, the offense is initiated and runs through that big in the half court. Kevin is going to see a spike in his touches and I would imagine his shots, just given all the screen, hand off and off ball action Beilein runs.

Think they are very different personalities (coaches) and systems.
 
Nathan S said:
Sure, that's why I said Poole's a poor man's Coby White. Not quite as promising offensively, and questionable defensively in the same kind of way (tweener guard without much toughness or lateral agility).
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Poor man to me is like a Notch or two below a player. Poole is like 30 notches below Coby White now and upside wise. Not even close talent wise. Similarities are tweener guards. After that the similarities stop.
 
I wish we can get Hachimura or Brandon Clarke — i think they will excel in his system.
 
WorldFreeB said:
I'm just surprised they didn't wait till after the lottery. If we pull the #1 pick and get Zion I don't think this is a rebuild necessarily. Even Ja could be a potential game changer. If the Cavs get Zion Is this kind of like when the Cavs hired Blatt and then Lebron came back?
Seems like a heckuva coach though so I'm good with it.
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The timeline wasn't too important to me. Even if the Cavs get ZW they still have to develop/refine his game .
It's still a rebuild because the draft won't be the only change thats needed.
JR and some others need to go.
No this isn't anywhere on the level of Lebron coming back and Blatt being the coach.
Totally different situation.
 
other thing that bugs the crap out of me here: this is such a Dan Gilbert hire.

Why can't Dan remove himself from these sorts of things? Let your GM (who you said will be running the search) make his hire. It messes up the entire dynamic between the two (GM/coach) if your owner hired his guy. So if things start to go sideways, the coach can say, "well, Koby isn't getting the right players" or Koby can say, "he's not using the players we have correctly" everyone gets into "cover thy ass" mode.
 
I'mWithDan said:
Another key note is he evolved on the defensive end as well, going from more of a Syracuse zone type to installing one of the toughest, man to man switching schemes in college.

Think about the antithesis of that (Boheim), who has effectively spent his whole career just doing the opposite. Same scheme, same players.....just stick with it. That is how college coaches typically are.

Beilein is incredibly flexible with what he does.....he considers how the competitive landscape is changing and tries to evolve with the times. You have to be a good coach to even consider that type of year-to-year change, a great one to excel and succeed while doing it.

He's also been phenomenal at playing to his personnels strengths. I mentioned this in a previous post but this is a coach that made a national title game with Trey Burke and Xavier Simpson at PG. Think about how wildly different the engines of those two offenses are.
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This is eminently encouraging.
 
weepinwillow said:
other thing that bugs the crap out of me here: this is such a Dan Gilbert hire.

Why can't Dan remove himself from these sorts of things? Let your GM (who you said will be running the search) make his hire. It messes up the entire dynamic between the two (GM/coach) if your owner hired his guy. So if things start to go sideways, the coach can say, "well, Koby isn't getting the right players" or Koby can say, "he's not using the players we have correctly" everyone gets into "cover thy ass" mode.
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Kobys number 2 was all for this hire. He played for Beilein when he was at WV. I am not saying this isn't Dans choice. But no one can say with 100 percent certainty that it was. People keep bringing up the Michigan connection.

People do realize Gilbert went to Michigan State and not Michigan don't they? It's also the GMs job to get players who fit the coaches system. If they can't work well together thats on them not Dan. Beilein just needs to tell him the type of player he needs.
 
The one goddamn time that Gilbert could have hit a home run with his Michigan State connection was drafting Draymond, and he blew it...
 
cavsfever said:
The one goddamn time that Gilbert could have hit a home run with his Michigan State connection was drafting Draymond, and he blew it...
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He was told by Izzo to take Draymond as well. So that's a prime example of sometimes he lets his staff do what they want. But who is to say Draymond is still Draymond if he came here with Byron Scott and Mike Brown as the HC
 
Really I don't mind this hire. Mike Budenholzer feels like a good comparison to what we should hope Beilein will be. I think we have the flexibility to go real young and with a former college coach there shouldn't be a limit to how many young player we have. I think that was a major problem in the last rebuild, Grant didnt feel like the staff could handle more than 2 rookies at a time.

We will bring in at least 2 young players at the draft. JR's contract could bring in one more. We can also move other players to really build up a young core.

I don't think Beilein changes my feelings on who we need to move on from. Get rid of JC, TT, and Henson before the season starts. Then move on from Brandon Knight midseason once he builds his value back up.
 
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