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Andre Iguodala on the market?

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Hands up if you watched Iggy and Sammy play at least 5 times this season or any at all
 
Don't feel like reading through all the pages that I missed...was there any explanation on why this was moved to "Cavs Talk", and have there been any updates on the situation??
 
Cavs23MVP said:
Don't feel like reading through all the pages that I missed...was there any explanation on why this was moved to "Cavs Talk", and have there been any updates on the situation??
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Yes, it has nothing to do with us getting him. It was a misunderstanding about merging threads or something, no biggie.

Good news from the 76ers insider. Interesting that Phoenix and Cleveland are most involved...so that crazy wacky 3 way trade might still be alive...
 
Triumph36 said:
The 76er insider posted some semi-encouraging news:
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That's definitely encouraging. I just don't see a deal going down between the Sixers and Suns, I'm surprised they're even still talking.

Why would Philly want Amare? They aren't going to re-sign him unless they want to have $35M/year tied up in PFs, so he basically serves as an expiring in a deal.

I also can't see $arver wanting to take on Igoudala's contract. I guess it gets them talent for Amare, but it just doesn't seem like the Suns every want to take on a ton of salary.

Finally, I'm not sure how Igoudala fits with the Suns. He's more of a half-court, grind-it-out player than a run-and-gun player.

EDIT: Forgot about the 3-way trade between the teams. I don't really want Amare in such a trade, however, and I still don't see how Igoudala in Phoenix makes since from a financial standpoint or a "fit" standpoint.
 
Northstar said:
That's definitely encouraging. I just don't see a deal going down between the Sixers and Suns, I'm surprised they're even still talking.

Why would Philly want Amare? They aren't going to re-sign him unless they want to have $35M/year tied up in PFs, so he basically serves as an expiring in a deal.

I also can't see $arver wanting to take on Igoudala's contract. I guess it gets them talent for Amare, but it just doesn't seem like the Suns every want to take on a ton of salary.

Finally, I'm not sure how Igoudala fits with the Suns. He's more of a half-court, grind-it-out player than a run-and-gun player.

EDIT: Forgot about the 3-way trade between the teams. I don't really want Amare in such a trade, however, and I still don't see how Igoudala in Phoenix makes since from a financial standpoint or a "fit" standpoint.
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It's an easier sell to the fans, while still being an expiring. If you were a 76er fan, would you rather see your supposed franchise player be traded for Amare, a perennial All-Star....or Z, an average prospect, and a late draft pick? Remember, the typical NBA fan overlooks the business aspect, so all of the saved money would be meaningless. It's all about bringing in a big name to them.

However, there are downsides to trading for Amare. First, they either don't get to move Dalembert or they do, but they have to take on Richardson, who also expires next year. So essentially they would barely save any money (if any at all) by moving Dalembert. Further, if Amare gets injured this season (he doesn't exactly have a spotless injury history, of course) he could opt IN to his deal and the 76ers would be forced to pay him something like 17M next season. But even further, Amare/Richardson would make their team better now than any trade we'd make which would result in a worse draft pick for them.

That's a lot of negatives and not many positives, which is why I'm fairly surprised Phoenix is still in the running. Perhaps they are still trying to pawn Brand off on them...I don't know.
 
Triumph36 said:
It's an easier sell to the fans, while still being an expiring. If you were a 76er fan, would you rather see your supposed franchise player be traded for Amare, a perennial All-Star....or Z, an average prospect, and a late draft pick? Remember, the typical NBA fan overlooks the business aspect, so all of the saved money would be meaningless. It's all about bringing in a big name to them.
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I don't think the fans would be very happy if they just let Amare walk after the season. They aren't going anywhere this season anyways. Making your fans happy for ~30 games only to get back nothing after those 30 games isn't a very good decision in terms of making your team better. Phoenix wants talent for Amare, which Igoudala provides, but I can't imagine Phoenix is going to throw in picks or young players and Amare for Igoudala.

If we S&T Wally to match salaries and take back Dalembert, our deal is definitely better. Especially if they can also get JJ, Green and two picks from us. They dump a ton of salary and get a guy they apparently really like in Green plus three more young players.
 
cmstophe said:
Yes, it has nothing to do with us getting him. It was a misunderstanding about merging threads or something, no biggie.

Good news from the 76ers insider. Interesting that Phoenix and Cleveland are most involved...so that crazy wacky 3 way trade might still be alive...
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This phoenix news intrigues me. Iggy doesn't seem like he would fit at all with the suns, but neither did Shaq and they still went after him.
 
Northstar said:
That's definitely encouraging. I just don't see a deal going down between the Sixers and Suns, I'm surprised they're even still talking.

Why would Philly want Amare? They aren't going to re-sign him unless they want to have $35M/year tied up in PFs, so he basically serves as an expiring in a deal.

I also can't see $arver wanting to take on Igoudala's contract. I guess it gets them talent for Amare, but it just doesn't seem like the Suns every want to take on a ton of salary.

Finally, I'm not sure how Igoudala fits with the Suns. He's more of a half-court, grind-it-out player than a run-and-gun player.

EDIT: Forgot about the 3-way trade between the teams. I don't really want Amare in such a trade, however, and I still don't see how Igoudala in Phoenix makes since from a financial standpoint or a "fit" standpoint.
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$arver took on an extra year (and $20 million) when they got Shaq for Marion (who expired a season earlier).

I also have to disagree about Iguodala's fit with the Suns. I think he'd look great out in the open court with Nash pushing the ball and finding him for easy buckets.

The Sixer insider also brought up a good point about Philly acquiring Amare. This trade would be financially driven in order to dump salary commitments. What happens if Amare doesn't opt out?
 
Northstar said:
I don't think the fans would be very happy if they just let Amare walk after the season. They aren't going anywhere this season anyways. Making your fans happy for ~30 games only to get back nothing after those 30 games isn't a very good decision in terms of making your team better. Phoenix wants talent for Amare, which Igoudala provides, but I can't imagine Phoenix is going to throw in picks or young players and Amare for Igoudala.

If we S&T Wally to match salaries and take back Dalembert, our deal is definitely better. Especially if they can also get JJ, Green and two picks from us. They dump a ton of salary and get a guy they apparently really like in Green plus three more young players.
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But at least Philly could say "well guys, we tried. but he was asking for way too much" because Amare IS going to ask for a max deal, and not giving one would be completely justifiable in Philly's case.

I think I read that their arena is already half full during home games. Post-PHX deal, the attendance probably increases for 2-3 weeks then reflects how the team is playing. Post-CLE deal, the attendance takes a decent hit and likely doesn't recover this (and maybe not even fully next season) season.

Don't get me wrong, I'm on your side when you say our deal is better. I'm just trying to clarify on the fans response to the deal - which, whether it's right or not, will likely matter to the front office. The payroll isn't the only financial aspect they need to consider, they need to consider ticket sales, merchandise sales, & sponsorships/partnerships.

Again, I want to stress that I think our deal is better, and if Philadelphia made the logical decision they'd go with our deal assuming Ferry doesn't try to lowball them hardcore (please don't Ferry, I beg of you! :pray::hail:)
 
Oh man this might mean we could get both Amare and Iggy!!!11!11


/sarcasm
 
Been thinking about it... I assume there are three trades that are on the table, and for each one, Philadelphia and the Cavs are off by a little:

Trade 1 - Iggy only

Cavs Offering:. . . . . . . . . . . . . 76ers Offering:

Cavs Get:. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Cavs Get:
Iggy . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Iggy

76ers Get: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .76ers Get:
Hickson. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Hickson
West . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . West
Wally (S&T @ 4.5M) . . . . . . . . . . . Wally (S&T @ 4.5M)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Eyenga
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2010 First


We could agree on either just sending Eyenga, or just sending the 1st. Phl gets some talent and saves a lot of money (almost all the contracts coming in are expiring). Cavs get Iggy and take on no bad contracts. But this doesn't get PHL out of their truly bad contracts, which is why they are stingy with demands.

Trade #2 - with Dalembert

Cavs Offering:. . . . . . . . . . . . . 76ers Offering:

Cavs Get:. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Cavs Get:
Iggy . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Iggy
Dalembert. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Dalembert

76ers Get: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .76ers Get:
Z. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Hickson
West . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . West
Moon. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Wally (S&T @ 4.5M)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z

We add in the Z/Dalembert swap to the previous trade. In order to offset that we offer Moon instead of Wally (to save us some money) - and we take back Hickson. 76ers will want Hickson to stay included despite the swap, and will want Wally to stay in (since he's expiring). We could agree on a draft pick or Eyenga instead of Hickson.

Trade #3 - with Brand
Cavs Offering:. . . . . . . . . . . . . 76ers Offering:

Cavs Get:. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Cavs Get:
Iggy . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Iggy
Brand . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Brand
Unprotected 1st

76ers Get: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .76ers Get:
Z. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z
West. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . West
Moon. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Moon
Wally (S&T). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Wally (S&T)

We take on a horrible contract this way, and we want an unprotected first to go along with it (to get some cheap contract to offset - or get rid of - the contract with. 76ers would take this as a straight up dump, but won't get rid of a pick. We could agree on a protected pick, or a 2011 pick of some kind.
 
Lyuokdea said:
Been thinking about it... I assume there are three trades that are on the table, and for each one, Philadelphia and the Cavs are off by a little:

Trade 1 - Iggy only

Cavs Offering:. . . . . . . . . . . . . 76ers Offering:

Cavs Get:. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Cavs Get:
Iggy . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Iggy

76ers Get: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .76ers Get:
Hickson. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Hickson
West . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . West
Wally (S&T @ 4.5M) . . . . . . . . . . . Wally (S&T @ 4.5M)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Green
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2010 First


We could agree on either just sending Eyenga, or just sending the 1st. Phl gets some talent and saves a lot of money (almost all the contracts coming in are expiring). Cavs get Iggy and take on no bad contracts. But this doesn't get PHL out of their truly bad contracts, which is why they are stingy with demands.

Trade #2 - with Dalembert

Cavs Offering:. . . . . . . . . . . . . 76ers Offering:

Cavs Get:. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Cavs Get:
Iggy . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Iggy
Dalembert. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Dalembert

76ers Get: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .76ers Get:
Z. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Hickson
West . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . West
Moon. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Wally (S&T @ 4.5M)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z

We add in the Z/Dalembert swap to the previous trade. In order to offset that we offer Moon instead of Wally (to save us some money) - and we take back Hickson. 76ers will want Hickson to stay included despite the swap, and will want Wally to stay in (since he's expiring). We could agree on a draft pick or Eyenga instead of Hickson.

Trade #3 - with Brand
Cavs Offering:. . . . . . . . . . . . . 76ers Offering:

Cavs Get:. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Cavs Get:
Iggy . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Iggy
Brand . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Brand
Unprotected 1st

76ers Get: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .76ers Get:
Z. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Z
West. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . West
Moon. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Moon
Wally (S&T). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Wally (S&T)

We take on a horrible contract this way, and we want an unprotected first to go along with it (to get some cheap contract to offset - or get rid of - the contract with. 76ers would take this as a straight up dump, but won't get rid of a pick. We could agree on a protected pick, or a 2011 pick of some kind.
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It's been said that the 76ers like Danny Green a lot. Maybe a deal like that could work? As Cleveland values Eyenga more as I've seen
 
from the sixer "insider"
sixers are trying to drum up more interest in their players and develop a bidding war...but its not really working that well. Its really just phoenix and cleveland at this point..with dallas,houston and portland maintaining minimal contact. its gonna go down to the deadline

brand seems to be totally out of discussions right now...but not for lack of trying.
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and...

so CLE could decide next friday..no we arent trading and sit out the next 6 days..or they could say...yes we want to trade..but still have to go thru the 5-6 days of trying to make a trade. Either way....nothing happens, if anything, til close to deadline.
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Damn, hopefully Windy's article about wanting to get a deal done ASAP is just a bluff.
 
Interesting...so basically philly is trying to drive up the price but nobody is biting.
 
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