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James 23 said:
you want me to have a team? fine, ill take V-Tech, since i got accepted to transfer there for school next sememster.

so you want to play that game...im now a V-Tech fan now so we can play the "trash talking" game.

just be happy i didnt apply to WVU.
I love V-tech's football program. Great defense, great special teams. I got turned onto them back when Vick was playing there. That guy was unreal in college. I can't tell you how many times I saw a player have the angle on him, and you think he's going down, and then with out making any jukes or anything he'd accelerate and just blow by them. I would be all "Wait, didn't that guy have the angle? Did I just see that?" :) After Vick it was the Kevin Jones/Lee Suggs era. A little thunder and lightning power football. Good stuff.

I haven't watched them this year, but they should have a good shot at the BCS. Miami and FSU are down this year, so they could definitely take the conference. In fact, they're the only ranked team in the Coastal division, and their path is pretty clear to the conference championship game. All they need to do is pull that game out, and they're in.
 
Mac i love you profusely but you are wrong here my man....

not about the OSU fans but about the game


Michigan put it on them big time....I have now watched the game 4 times all the way though and we got a break on the INT but Henne gave it right back to you on the next possesion so that TD was canclled out anyways....

ND had one good drive and it was right before halftime....the last TD was Offensive Pass Interference but they called it on the Defense

Michigans Defense was pushing the loine into the backfield getting pressure while really only bringing 4 guys maybe 5 if we blitz during the majority of the game

Michigans offense moved the ball o the run ( albeit not as good as I thought we could) and Henne proceeded to torch the secondary droppping perfect balls to Manningham and Co

sure ND had turnovers but come on now that game was Won by Michigan not lost by ND



and for all of the OSU fans....you guys have a great team but I would be worried about run defense.....I cant wait to see Michigan D go up against OSU O.....I honestly believe 11-0 for OSU and Michigan heading into "The Game"

this year will be great.....and I told you all before the season not to overlook by Wolverines
 
last game cincy had 22 rushes for -4 yards,im very worried.i know its just cincy but thats some nasty stuff right there man.
 
cdt said:
You can't rub it in unless you have a college team..it's code. And OSU is a dynasty bud..we've produced more NFL Talent than anywhere else..
What about the U?
 
James 23 said:
UM has put some great players into the NFL as well. how is OSU a dynasty? if you were a dynasty, you would have been playing and beating USC these past 3 years.
How is USC a dynasty?

If winning one championship and losing another is considered a dynasty then by all means their a dynasty.

USC has only one championship last time I checked
 
hbomber20 said:
How is USC a dynasty?

If winning one championship and losing another is considered a dynasty then by all means their a dynasty.

USC has only one championship last time I checked
Technically 2..And I was reminded of it every night since my wife would lounge around in her USC back2back national champions t-shirt.:thumbdown ..That was until she got too fat with the baby to rock the shirt anymore without stretching it out..:thumbup:
 
LePIP said:
Technically 2..And I was reminded of it every night since my wife would lounge around in her USC back2back national champions t-shirt.:thumbdown ..That was until she got too fat with the baby to rock the shirt anymore without stretching it out..:thumbup:

It definately had to have fallen out of the T-Shirt rotation..nows your chance to snake that shit when she's passed out with the tub of Edy's and burn it :chuckles:
 
I thought USC had one title and one split title? Of course, Trojan fans will say they have two, just like Mich fans said they had one back in '99, but really the Trojans had 1.5 and Mich had 0.5 championships.

At any rate, I'm not worried about our run defense against Michigan. They're good now, and JT always has them playing their best football by the end of the season so it will be great by then. It's why he's 4-1 vs UM and 4-1 in Bowls (winning the last 4 straight).
 
LePIP said:
Technically 2..And I was reminded of it every night since my wife would lounge around in her USC back2back national champions t-shirt.:thumbdown ..That was until she got too fat with the baby to rock the shirt anymore without stretching it out..:thumbup:
How is it technically 2?

The point of the BCS is to form a clear cut winner, USC didnt win the BCS championship that year it was LSU.
 
hbomber20 said:
How is it technically 2?

The point of the BCS is to form a clear cut winner, USC didnt win the BCS championship that year it was LSU.
Well, in USC's defense the AP poll (which had LSU as champion) has been around about a million years, while the coaches poll has been around what, 15 years? Less than that? The AP has been what's determined the national champion for the last century. The BCS and the coaches poll are new (not to mention flawed, but that's another story).
 
hbomber20 said:
How is it technically 2?

The point of the BCS is to form a clear cut winner, USC didnt win the BCS championship that year it was LSU.

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Style said:
Well, in USC's defense the AP poll (which had LSU as champion) has been around about a million years, while the coaches poll has been around what, 15 years? Less than that? The AP has been what's determined the national champion for the last century. The BCS and the coaches poll are new (not to mention flawed, but that's another story).

Not to mention every record book states they are the 2004 National Champions..:thumbdown
 
LePIP said:
to mention every record book states they are the 2004 National Champions..:thumbdown
got to be kidding me

that's horse sheet, thats the entre point of the freaking BCS a clear cut national champion and they just claim usc as partial.

Well in my book it's not a national championship and that's all that matters honestly
 
hbomber20 said:
Well in my book it's not a national championship and that's all that matters honestly
Well there you go Pip, just tell your wife that in hbomber's book it doesn't count. I'm sure she will be crushed. :chuckles:

Just to set the record straight, the Coaches' Poll has actually been around since 1950: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaches_Poll

I honestly don't remember hearing 1 word about it as a kid, hence I thought it was new. I'm guessing here, but maybe it didn't get as much press until it became the "USA Today Coaches' Poll" in 1991? That's about the time I began to notice it.

At any rate, the Coaches Poll is inherently flawed and is basically a joke. Many fans care more about the Coaches Poll, thinking they (the coaches) have a better idea what's up than the journalists. I understand where this thinking comes from, but it's really not true. This is detailed in Flaw 1, below:

Flaw 1: The coaches don't know what's up, outside of their own schedule.
College football coaches are EXTREMELY busy. During the regular seasont they routinely work 80 weeks. They have to watch tons of film, on their opponants and their own team (self scouting, player evaluation, etc). They have to work on new game plans every week. They have to recruit. They spend alot of time traveling to games, on recruiting trips, and other commitments. And oh yeah, they have to coach their teams (running practice, games, etc). The coaches don't have the time to watch any games other than those of the teams they play. They don't have a clue how good other teams really are, except from when they glance at the AP poll.

Journalists, on the other hand, are paid to watch as much football as possible, and to have a clue what's going on. They're much more likely to have a good idea big picture-wise how the teams should actually rank.

Flaw 2: The coaches are biased.
Sure, everyone has some bias, but journalists jobs aren't riding on the success of their team. The coaches jobs are. As such, their is built in bias to rank your team higher, as well as the teams on your schedule, so as to improve your strength of schedule. Again, their jobs are riding on the success of their program. Gee, that's not a big conflict of interest at all, eh?

Flaw 3: The coaches are forced to accept the winner of the national championship game as their #1.
You may not realize this, but the coaches poll is contractually obligated with the BCS to annoint the winner of the "nation championship game" as their #1. On this surface, this may not seem like a big flaw, and I would agree IF the coaches poll is what was used to determine who goes to that game. However, it is not. The BCS rankings determine who goes, and they are just a small component of the BCS.

The following example illustrates just how bad this flaw is. Imagine a scenario where after the regular season/prior to the bowls there are no undefeated teams, and 4 one loss teams. The coaches poll has the one loss teams ranked 1 through 4 in the following order: Team A, B, C, and D. However, the BCS has teams C and D (ranked #3 and #4 in the coaches poll) as the #1 and #2, so they play for the title. In the meantime in a different bowl, teams A and B play, and A wins. So the coaches' top two teams played each other in a bowl, and their #1 team, team A, won. Team A should be their choice for national champions, right? Well, no. They're contractually obligated to pick the winner the "national championship game", which would be either C or D.

So for all we know, the coaches would of selected USC as their champion if they had a choice. However, their hands were tied. They didn't choose LSU as their champion. LSU was the default. The coaches had no choice.
 
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Style said:
Well there you go Pip, just tell your wife that in hbomber's book it doesn't count. I'm sure she will be crushed. :chuckles:
See, it just doesn't matter..Like H-Bomb, I too have tried to explain to her that they are not true national champions (even though they technically are).. I've stated in the past that the 2004 USC Trojans did not do the following:

A. Play in the Sugar bowl, they played in the Rose Bowl. She knows, because we were there. :rolleyes:

B. They did not hoist the crystal ball.. Which is a bit weird since her name is Crystal..;)

At the end of the day, I tried to reject the reality and substitute my own :chuckles: but she won't let me and is having none of it..

In fact, she's actually kinda mean when it comes to this stuff... She has a scrapbook that shows USC hammering my Bruins throughout the last couple of years.. And every time I try to talk college football with her, she makes fun of Cade McNown..:thumbdown

I've recently tried to explain to her about Reggie Bush's rule breaking, and she won't listen, or even recognize it... So I've basically have come to the conclusion that it's her way or no way..:(
 

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