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I have changed my mind....Bring Drew back for 6 years 52 million I love this guy and i dont want to see him leave
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Still think Gooden should be "traded"?
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Ranks #17 in the NBA in Rebounds Per Game(8.7) take a look whose ahead of him...NOBODY thats been mentioned as a replacement.
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage(0.535)
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds(115.0)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per Game(3.4)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(5.7)
Ranks #7 in the NBA in Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(14.8)
Top ten in all but one. Sure...we'll find someone with those numbers EASY! and cheap
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage(0.535)
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds(115.0)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per Game(3.4)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(5.7)
Ranks #7 in the NBA in Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(14.8)
Top ten in all but one. Sure...we'll find someone with those numbers EASY! and cheap
You can pretty much attribute those statistics to playing alongside Ilgauskas and being spoonfed by James.
Nobody in memory on this board has said that Drew Gooden is a bad player. We all know te kid has skills and he generally plays with alot of energy.
The common theme though is that he is a poor defender, and even worse decision maker. He just doesn't make the rotations on time, which alongside Ilgauskas is disastrous.
Gooden is naturally a scorer. He has some nice moves, but is hardly a polished offensive scorer. However he is being forced to change his game to fit here. He is doing reasonably well at doing this.
I do not want to pay Gooden 40-60 million to play someone else's game. Would it bother me to see him put up 20-10 elsewhere? Nope. Because I would think that Cleveland made a move to improve themselves when Drew was traded. At the end of the day we are talking about Cleveland success, not what Drew can do!
Nobody in memory on this board has said that Drew Gooden is a bad player. We all know te kid has skills and he generally plays with alot of energy.
The common theme though is that he is a poor defender, and even worse decision maker. He just doesn't make the rotations on time, which alongside Ilgauskas is disastrous.
Gooden is naturally a scorer. He has some nice moves, but is hardly a polished offensive scorer. However he is being forced to change his game to fit here. He is doing reasonably well at doing this.
I do not want to pay Gooden 40-60 million to play someone else's game. Would it bother me to see him put up 20-10 elsewhere? Nope. Because I would think that Cleveland made a move to improve themselves when Drew was traded. At the end of the day we are talking about Cleveland success, not what Drew can do!
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Gooden says he wants to stay, but . . .
With trade deadline coming, `quality big' knows fate with Cavs to be sealed by money
By Brian Windhorst
SALT LAKE CITY - Drew Gooden learned awhile back not to put down roots too deeply, so his in Cleveland aren't.
Were it up it him, it sounds like he'd want to stay with the Cavaliers long-term. It's not up to him. Which is why some fresh trade rumors this week and any talk of the upcoming offseason don't faze him.
``I'd love to be here,'' Gooden said. ``I like the organization, but it isn't going to be up to me. It's going to come down to whether the Cavs want me or not. It looks like it is going to come down to money.''
Doesn't it always?
Gooden's been solid in his time with the Cavs at power forward, replacing double-double machine Carlos Boozer. He plays hurt, brings energy almost every night, and never complained when the Cavs signed Donyell Marshall, even though it took minutes away from him.
Indeed, he has his warts, especially when it comes to focus, but he's a valuable commodity in the NBA, a so-called ``quality big.''
So why wouldn't the Cavs want to keep him, especially considering he'll just be a restricted free agent in the offseason and they could match any offers and go over the salary cap to do so?
Because with Larry Hughes and Zydrunas Ilgauskas already signed to huge deals and with all hopeful LeBron James will agree to a maximum contract extension this summer, the payroll is adding up.
Gooden, who's averaging 11.4 points and 8.7 rebounds, figures to command a market price of at least $7 million per year.
Whether he gets it or not remains to be seen. There are a number of big men available this summer, including Ben Wallace, Nene, Lorenzen Wright, Nazr Mohammed and Joel Przybilla to name a few.
Cavs owner Dan Gilbert has deep pockets, but the line has to be drawn somewhere. Gilbert has correctly pointed out in the past that the NBA's top teams, the San Antonio Spurs and Detroit Pistons, aren't paying the luxury tax, which is a dollar-for-dollar penalty if teams go over a certain salary threshold.
The luxury-tax line changes every year, but giving Gooden the deal he wants would push the Cavs into that territory. Gilbert seems reluctant to go there, and no one could really blame him, since Gooden truly might not be the type of player an owner dips into the tax to keep.
Why does this matter now and not in July? Because with the trading deadline just a few weeks away, the Cavs have to decide whether to keep Gooden and take their chances in the summer or to trade him now.
Hence the rumors and the decisions and Gooden's attitude toward it all.
Dribbles
• Cavs General Manager Danny Ferry just returned from a European scouting trip, where he might have seen the Cavs' next first-round draft pick. Ferry comes from the San Antonio Spurs' school, which teaches the value of international talent. The Spurs have plucked gems from Europe for years. They haven't drafted an American in any of the past three drafts. Ferry's first draft produced an international player, Martynas Andriuskevicius, and Ferry attempted to sign fellow Lithuanian Saranus Jasikevicius during the summer.
• Veteran NBA referee Joe Crawford is known for being a good official and for getting testy when his calls are questioned. It seems Crawford and Cavs coach Mike Brown are off on the wrong foot and Eric Snow is in the middle. Crawford has gotten into it twice with Brown in the past two weeks, and twice Snow has gotten involved, too. In a game in Cleveland against the Milwaukee Bucks on Jan. 7, Crawford got tired of listening to Brown and barked at him before an out-of-bounds play. Snow, who was set to inbound the ball, slapped it out of Crawford's hand and told him not to talk to his coach that way. Later in the game, both Snow and Brown were hit with technical fouls.
Wednesday in Denver, Brown was on Crawford again and was hit with a technical again when he drifted onto the court in the fourth quarter. Moments later, Crawford called a technical on Snow for chirping from the bench. Snow, the team captain, frequently speaks to officials about calls, but perhaps both Cavs should steer clear of Crawford in the near future.
• Despite his frequent statements that it doesn't bother him, one school of thought is that James' recent late-game struggles are due to fatigue. James is third in the NBA in minutes played. He averages fewer points in the fourth quarter, 6.8, than in any other quarter, and his free-throw and shooting percentages are lower than his overall averages down the stretch of close games.
• The early returns on Anderson Varejao haven't been great. He's shown some of the energy he displayed last year, but he's been vulnerable on defense, especially when trying to keep his man in front of him. He appears to still have a long way to go physically and mentally.
• Damon Jones was upset he wasn't invited to take part in the 3-point shootout in the All-Star Game last year and is hoping to be invited to take part this year in Houston next month. Jones is from Galveston and played at the University of Houston. But after shooting 43 percent from 3-point range last season, he's down to 36 percent this season, weakening his case.
• A story in the Camden (N.J) Courier-Post this week revealed former Cav Dajuan Wagner recently had surgery to remove his colon. He battled an internal illness for years, though he hopes to be well enough to return to the NBA next season.
With trade deadline coming, `quality big' knows fate with Cavs to be sealed by money
By Brian Windhorst
SALT LAKE CITY - Drew Gooden learned awhile back not to put down roots too deeply, so his in Cleveland aren't.
Were it up it him, it sounds like he'd want to stay with the Cavaliers long-term. It's not up to him. Which is why some fresh trade rumors this week and any talk of the upcoming offseason don't faze him.
``I'd love to be here,'' Gooden said. ``I like the organization, but it isn't going to be up to me. It's going to come down to whether the Cavs want me or not. It looks like it is going to come down to money.''
Doesn't it always?
Gooden's been solid in his time with the Cavs at power forward, replacing double-double machine Carlos Boozer. He plays hurt, brings energy almost every night, and never complained when the Cavs signed Donyell Marshall, even though it took minutes away from him.
Indeed, he has his warts, especially when it comes to focus, but he's a valuable commodity in the NBA, a so-called ``quality big.''
So why wouldn't the Cavs want to keep him, especially considering he'll just be a restricted free agent in the offseason and they could match any offers and go over the salary cap to do so?
Because with Larry Hughes and Zydrunas Ilgauskas already signed to huge deals and with all hopeful LeBron James will agree to a maximum contract extension this summer, the payroll is adding up.
Gooden, who's averaging 11.4 points and 8.7 rebounds, figures to command a market price of at least $7 million per year.
Whether he gets it or not remains to be seen. There are a number of big men available this summer, including Ben Wallace, Nene, Lorenzen Wright, Nazr Mohammed and Joel Przybilla to name a few.
Cavs owner Dan Gilbert has deep pockets, but the line has to be drawn somewhere. Gilbert has correctly pointed out in the past that the NBA's top teams, the San Antonio Spurs and Detroit Pistons, aren't paying the luxury tax, which is a dollar-for-dollar penalty if teams go over a certain salary threshold.
The luxury-tax line changes every year, but giving Gooden the deal he wants would push the Cavs into that territory. Gilbert seems reluctant to go there, and no one could really blame him, since Gooden truly might not be the type of player an owner dips into the tax to keep.
Why does this matter now and not in July? Because with the trading deadline just a few weeks away, the Cavs have to decide whether to keep Gooden and take their chances in the summer or to trade him now.
Hence the rumors and the decisions and Gooden's attitude toward it all.
Dribbles
• Cavs General Manager Danny Ferry just returned from a European scouting trip, where he might have seen the Cavs' next first-round draft pick. Ferry comes from the San Antonio Spurs' school, which teaches the value of international talent. The Spurs have plucked gems from Europe for years. They haven't drafted an American in any of the past three drafts. Ferry's first draft produced an international player, Martynas Andriuskevicius, and Ferry attempted to sign fellow Lithuanian Saranus Jasikevicius during the summer.
• Veteran NBA referee Joe Crawford is known for being a good official and for getting testy when his calls are questioned. It seems Crawford and Cavs coach Mike Brown are off on the wrong foot and Eric Snow is in the middle. Crawford has gotten into it twice with Brown in the past two weeks, and twice Snow has gotten involved, too. In a game in Cleveland against the Milwaukee Bucks on Jan. 7, Crawford got tired of listening to Brown and barked at him before an out-of-bounds play. Snow, who was set to inbound the ball, slapped it out of Crawford's hand and told him not to talk to his coach that way. Later in the game, both Snow and Brown were hit with technical fouls.
Wednesday in Denver, Brown was on Crawford again and was hit with a technical again when he drifted onto the court in the fourth quarter. Moments later, Crawford called a technical on Snow for chirping from the bench. Snow, the team captain, frequently speaks to officials about calls, but perhaps both Cavs should steer clear of Crawford in the near future.
• Despite his frequent statements that it doesn't bother him, one school of thought is that James' recent late-game struggles are due to fatigue. James is third in the NBA in minutes played. He averages fewer points in the fourth quarter, 6.8, than in any other quarter, and his free-throw and shooting percentages are lower than his overall averages down the stretch of close games.
• The early returns on Anderson Varejao haven't been great. He's shown some of the energy he displayed last year, but he's been vulnerable on defense, especially when trying to keep his man in front of him. He appears to still have a long way to go physically and mentally.
• Damon Jones was upset he wasn't invited to take part in the 3-point shootout in the All-Star Game last year and is hoping to be invited to take part this year in Houston next month. Jones is from Galveston and played at the University of Houston. But after shooting 43 percent from 3-point range last season, he's down to 36 percent this season, weakening his case.
• A story in the Camden (N.J) Courier-Post this week revealed former Cav Dajuan Wagner recently had surgery to remove his colon. He battled an internal illness for years, though he hopes to be well enough to return to the NBA next season.