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    Word is Max made some bad nachos game 1.
    whipped up some bad cheese and then sold them to N.Korea and now they are pissed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SplitVizionz View Post
    Let Japan deal with them. We have our own problems.
    Japan can't deal with it because they're not allowed to keep any sort of military presence since WWII. They're also not allowed to have the bomb because of this.

    One of the ways I've heard mentioned to deal with this is to start negotiating with Japan in regards to allowing them to obtain nuclear technology. A nuclear Japan would shift the balance of power in the region, and cut into the slight benefits China and Russia receive from supporting NK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mixman View Post
    Japan can't deal with it because they're not allowed to keep any sort of military presence since WWII. They're also not allowed to have the bomb because of this.

    One of the ways I've heard mentioned to deal with this is to start negotiating with Japan in regards to allowing them to obtain nuclear technology. A nuclear Japan would shift the balance of power in the region, and cut into the slight benefits China and Russia receive from supporting NK.
    I agree with your idea, but most Japanese would oppose developing nuclear weapons out of the obvious cultural/historical reasons. Regarding a military however, remember that the Japanese Constitution can be changed, and that every year the National Diet considers amending their Constitution to allow for a standing military. We have advocated the creation of a Japanese military since Reagan, yet the Japanese consistently refuse and instead use tax revenue that would otherwise be spent on defense in other areas including artificially propping up their economy.

    Furthermore, Japan has one of the largest stockpiles of fissile material in the world. It would take no longer than a few months for them to start manufacturing thermonuclear weapons and the missiles to deliver them. But that's not likely to happen unless the DPRK goes off the deep end..

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    Default Re: North Korea readies missile, makes new threat.

    Lets just pay them to assassinate Turkoglu.

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    NORTH KOREA ISSUES NUKE THREAT...

    North Korea would use nuclear weapons in a 'merciless offensive'
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    Tuesday, 9 June 2009

    North Korea today said it would use nuclear weapons in a "merciless offensive" if provoked — its latest bellicose rhetoric apparently aimed at deterring any international punishment for its recent atomic test blast.

    The tensions emanating from Pyongyang are beginning to hit nascent business ties with the South: a Seoul-based fur manufacturer became the first South Korean company to announce Monday it was pulling out of an industrial complex in the North's border town of Kaesong.

    The complex, which opened in 2004, is a key symbol of rapprochement between the two Koreas but the goodwill is evaporating quickly in the wake of North Korea's nuclear test on May 25 and subsequent missile tests.

    Pyongyang raised tensions a notch by reviving its rhetoric in a commentary in the state-run Minju Joson newspaper today.

    "Our nuclear deterrent will be a strong defensive means...as well as a merciless offensive means to deal a just retaliatory strike to those who touch the country's dignity and sovereignty even a bit," said the commentary, carried by the official Korean Central News Agency.

    It appeared to be the first time that North Korea referred to its nuclear arsenal as "offensive" in nature. Pyongyang has long claimed that its nuclear weapons program is a deterrent and only for self-defense against what it calls US attempts to invade it.

    The tough talk came as South Korea and the US lead an effort at the UN Security Council to have the North punished for its nuclear test with tough sanctions.

    Seoul's Yonhap news agency reported today that South Korea had doubled the number of naval ships around the disputed sea border with the North amid concern the communist neighbor could provoke an armed clash there — the scene of skirmishes in 1999 and 2002.

    The Joint Chiefs of Staff declined to confirm the report, but said the North has not shown any unusual military moves.

    Relations between the two Koreas have significantly worsened since a pro-US, conservative government took office in Seoul last year, advocating a tougher policy on the North. Since then, reconciliation talks have been cut off and all key joint projects except the factory park in Kaesong have been suspended.

    Some 40,000 North Koreans are employed at the zone, making everything from electronics and watches to shoes and utensils, providing a major source of revenue for the cash-strapped North. The park combines South Korean technology and management expertise with cheap North Korean labor.

    A total of 106 South Korean companies operate in the park. That number will go down by the end of the month when Skinnet, the fur-maker, completes its pullout.

    A Skinnet company official said the decision was primarily over "security concerns" for its employees, and also because of a decline in orders from clients concerned over possible disruptions to operations amid the soaring tensions.

    The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak with reporters.

    The industrial park's fate has been in doubt since last month when North Korea threatened to scrap all contracts on running the joint complex and said it would write new rules of its own and the South must accept them or pull out of the zone.

    The companies have also been concerned by the detention of a South Korean man working at the complex by North Korean authorities since late March for allegedly denouncing the regime's political system.

    The two sides are to hold talks on the fate of the park Thursday.

    Intensifying its confrontation with the US, North Korea handed down 12-year prison terms to two detained American journalists on Monday.

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    Japan warns that North Korea may fire missile at U.S. on Independence Day
    By Mail Foreign Service
    Last updated at 4:55 PM on 18th June 2009

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    North Korea may launch a long-range ballistic missile towards Hawaii on American Independence Day, according to Japanese intelligence officials.
    The missile, believed to be a Taepodong-2 with a range of up to 4,000 miles, would be launched in early July from the Dongchang-ni site on the north-western coast of the secretive country.
    Intelligence analysts do not believe the device would be capable of hitting Hawaii's main islands, which are 4,500 miles from North Korea.
    Details of the launch came from the Japan's best-selling newspaper, Yomiuri Shimbun.
    Both Japanese intelligence and U.S. reconnaissance satellites have collated information pointing to the launch, according to the report.

    It is understood the communist state is likely to fire the missile between July 4 and 8. A launch on July 4 would coincide with Independence Day in the States.It would also be the 15th anniversary of North Korean president Kim Il-Sung's death.
    The Japanese newspaper also noted that North Korea had fired its first Taepodong-2 missile on July 4, 2006.

    Officials had initially believed that North Korea might attempt to launch a similar device towards either Japan's Okinawa island, Guam or Hawaii.
    But the ministry concluded launches toward Okinawa or Guam were 'extremely unlikely' because the first-stage booster could drop into waters off China, agitating Beijing, or hit western Japanese territory.
    If the missile were fired in the direction of Hawaii, the booster could drop in the Sea of Japan.
    News of the launch would put 'enormous military pressure on the United States,' the Yomiuri said, citing the ministry report.

    A spokesman for the Japanese Defense Ministry declined to comment on the report.
    South Korea's Defense Ministry and the National Intelligence Service - the country's main spy agency - said they could not confirm it.
    Tension on the divided Korean peninsula has risen markedly since the North, led by Kim Jong-il, conducted two nuclear tests this year in defiance of repeated international warnings
    The first rocket, fired in April, was widely seen as a disguised long-range missile test. A second launch came on May 25.
    U.S. satellite intelligence has shown that a missile launch pad had been erected at Dongchang-ri on North Korea's north-west coast.
    General James Cartwright, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said it would take at least three to five years for North Korea to pose a real threat to the U.S. west coast.
    The UN Security Council last week authorised member states to inspect North Korean sea, air and land cargo, requiring them to seize and destroy goods shipped that violate the sanctions against arms export.
    On Saturday, in response to this declaration Pyongyang said it would bolster its nuclear programs and threatened war.
    Growing tensions come as arms-watchdog the International Crisis Group (ICG) claimed North Korea has several thousand tonnes of chemical weapons it could mount on missiles.
    The report from the non-government organisation said they believed the North's army have about 2,500 to 5,000 tonnes of chemical weapons which include mustard gas, sarin and other deadly nerve agents.
    ICG also also warned South Korea may become a target.
    'If there is an escalation of conflict and if military hostilities break out, there is a risk that they could be used. In conventional terms, North Korea is weak and they feel they might have to resort to using those,' said Daniel Pinkston, the ICG's representative in Seoul.
    The North has been working on chemical weapons for decades and can deliver them through long-range artillery directed on Seoul which is home to about half of South Korea's 49 million people and via missiles that could hit all of the country.


    A missile fired from North Korea would have to travel 4,500 miles before it reached the U.S. state of Hawaii

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    Officials: US tracking suspicious ship from NKorea

    Gates Orders Interceptors to Island...

    By ANNE GEARAN and PAULINE JELINEK, Associated Press Writers Anne Gearan And Pauline Jelinek, Associated Press Writers – 1 hr 10 mins ago

    WASHINGTON – The U.S. military is tracking a ship from North Korea that may be carrying illicit weapons, the first vessel monitored under tougher new United Nations rules meant to rein in and punish the communist government following a nuclear test, officials said Thursday.

    Defense Secretary Robert Gates said he has ordered additional protections for Hawaii just in case North Korea launches a long-range missile over the Pacific Ocean.

    The suspect ship could become a test case for interception of the North's ships at sea, something the North has said it would consider an act of war.

    Officials said the U.S. is monitoring the voyage of the North Korean-flagged Kang Nam, which left port in North Korea on Wednesday. On Thursday, it was traveling in the Pacific Ocean off the coast of China, two officials said on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence.

    What the Kang Nam was carrying was not known, but the ship has been involved in weapons proliferation, one of the officials said.

    The ship is among a group that is watched regularly but is the only one believed to have cargo that could potentially violate the U.N. resolution, the official said.

    Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen did not specifically confirm that the U.S. was monitoring the ship when he was asked about it at a Pentagon news conference Thursday.

    "We intend to vigorously enforce the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1874 to include options, to include, certainly, hail and query," Mullen said. "If a vessel like this is queried and doesn't allow a permissive search," he noted, it can be directed into port.

    The Security Council resolution calls on all 192 U.N. member states to inspect vessels on the high seas "if they have information that provides reasonable grounds to believe that the cargo" contains banned weapons or material to make them, and if approval is given by the country whose flag the ship sails under.

    If the country refuses to give approval, it must direct the vessel "to an appropriate and convenient port for the required inspection by the local authorities."

    The resolution does not authorize the use of force. But if a country refuses to order a vessel to a port for inspection, it would be in violation of the resolution and the country licensing the vessel would face possible sanctions by the Security Council.

    Gates, speaking at the same news conference, said the Pentagon is concerned about the possibility of a North Korean missile launch "in the direction of Hawaii."

    Gates told reporters at the Pentagon he has sent the military's ground-based mobile missile system to Hawaii, and positioned a radar system nearby. The Terminal High Altitude Area Defense system is designed to shoot down ballistic missiles in their last stage of flight.

    "We are in a good position, should it become necessary, to protect Americans and American territory," Gates said.

    A Japanese newspaper reported Thursday that North Korea might fire its most advanced ballistic missile toward Hawaii around the Fourth of July holiday.

    A new missile launch — though not expected to reach U.S. territory — would be a brazen slap in the face of the international community, which punished North Korea with new U.N. sanctions for conducting a second nuclear test on May 25 in defiance of a U.N. ban.

    North Korea spurned the U.N. Security Council resolution with threats of war and pledges to expand its nuclear bomb-making program.

    The missile now being readied in the North is believed to be a Taepodong-2 with a range of up to 4,000 miles and would be launched from North Korea's Dongchang-ni site on the northwestern coast, the Yomiuri newspaper said. It cited an analysis by Japan's Defense Ministry and intelligence gathered by U.S. reconnaissance satellites.

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    Shits getting serious. They better not fuck with us.

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    NKorea threatens US; world anticipates missile

    By HYUNG-JIN KIM, Associated Press Writer Hyung-jin Kim, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 38 mins ago

    SEOUL, South Korea – North Korea threatened Wednesday to wipe the United States off the map as Washington and its allies watched for signs the regime will launch a series of missiles in the coming days.

    Off China's coast, a U.S. destroyer was tailing a North Korean ship suspected of transporting illicit weapons to Myanmar in what could be the first test of U.N. sanctions passed to punish the nation for an underground nuclear test last month.

    The Kang Nam left the North Korean port of Nampo a week ago with the USS John S. McCain close behind. The ship, accused of transporting banned goods in the past, is believed bound for Myanmar, according to South Korean and U.S. officials.

    The new U.N. Security Council resolution requires member states to seek permission to inspect suspicious cargo. North Korea has said it would consider interception a declaration of war and on Wednesday accused the U.S. of seeking to provoke another Korean War.

    "If the U.S. imperialists start another war, the army and people of Korea will ... wipe out the aggressors on the globe once and for all," the official Korean Central News Agency said.

    The warning came on the eve of the 59th anniversary of the start of the three-year Korean War, which ended in a truce in 1953, not a peace treaty, leaving the peninsula in state of war.

    The U.S. has 28,500 troops in South Korea to protect against an outbreak of hostilities.

    Tensions have been high since North Korea launched a long-range rocket in April and then conducted its second underground atomic test on May 25.

    Reacting to U.N. condemnation of that test, North Korea walked away from nuclear disarmament talks and warned it would fire a long-range missile.

    North Korea has banned ships from the waters off its east coast starting Thursday through July 10 for military exercises, Japan's Coast Guard said.

    South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported Wednesday that the North may fire a Scud missile with a range of up to 310 miles (500 kilometers) or a short-range ground-to-ship missile with a range of 100 miles (160 kilometers) during the no-sail period.

    A senior South Korean government official said the no-sail ban is believed connected to North Korean plans to fire short- or mid-range missiles. He spoke on condition of anonymity, citing department policy.

    U.S. defense and counterproliferation officials in Washington said they also expected the North to launch short- to medium-range missiles. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence.

    South Korea will expedite the introduction of high-tech unmanned aerial surveillance systems and "bunker-buster" bombs in response to North Korea's provocations, the Chosun Ilbo newspaper said, citing unidentified ruling party members.

    Meanwhile, a flurry of diplomatic efforts were under way to try getting North Korea to return to disarmament talks.

    Russia's top nuclear envoy, Alexei Borodavkin, said after meeting with his South Korean counterpart that Moscow is open to other formats for discussion since Pyongyang has pulled out of formal six-nation negotiations.

    In Beijing, top U.S. and Chinese defense officials also discussed North Korea. U.S. Defense Undersecretary Michele Flournoy was heading next to Tokyo and Seoul for talks.

    South Korea has proposed high-level "consultations" to discuss North Korea with the U.S., Russia, China and Japan.

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    Associated Press writers Jae-soon Chang in Seoul; Pauline Jelinek, Pamela Hess and Lolita Baldor in Washington and Min Lee in Hong Kong contributed to this report.

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    Anybody care to predict Americas response if this missile is indeed launched at Hawaii?

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    Interesting article by former Clinton adviser Dick Morris...

    June 24, 2009
    Obama's Weakness Issue
    By Dick Morris

    If only President Obama were a third as tough on Iran and North Korea as he is on Republicans, he'd be making progress in containing the dire threats to our national security these rogue nations represent. As it is, the president is letting the perception of weakness cloud his image. Once that particular miasma enshrouds a presidency, it is hard to dissipate.

    If foreign policy issues actually involve war and the commitment of troops, they can be politically potent. But otherwise, the impact of international affairs on presidential image is largely metaphoric. Since foreign policy is the only area in which the president can govern virtually alone, it provides a window on his personality and use of power that domestic policy cannot.

    When President Clinton, for example, dithered as Bosnia burned, he acquired a reputation for weakness that dragged down his ratings. It was only after he moved decisively to bomb and then disarm the Serbs that he shed his image of weakness. It took President H.W. Bush's invasion of Iraq to set to rest concerns that he was a "wimp." Jimmy Carter never recovered from the lasting damage to his reputation that his inability to stand up to Iran during the hostage crisis precipitated.

    So now, as North Korea defies international sanctions and sends arms to Myanmar and Iran slaughters its citizens in the streets, President Obama looks helpless and hapless. He comes across as not having a clue how to handle the crises.

    And, as North Korea prepares to launch a missile on a Hail Mary pass aimed at Hawaii, the Democrats slash 19 missile interceptors from the Defense Department budget.

    The transparent appeasement of Iran's government -- and its obvious lack of reciprocation -- make Obama look ridiculous. Long after the mullahs have suppressed what limited democracy they once allowed, Obama's image problems will persist.

    While Americans generally applaud Obama's outreach to the Muslims of the world and think highly of his Cairo speech, they are very dissatisfied with his inadequate efforts to stop Iran from developing -- and North Korea from using -- nuclear weapons. Clearly, his policies toward these two nations are a weak spot in his reputation.

    His failure to stand up to either aggressor is of a piece with his virtual surrender in the war on terror. Documented in our new book, "Catastrophe," we show how he has disarmed the United States and simply elected to stop battling against terrorists, freeing them from Guantanamo as he empowers them with every manner of constitutional protection.

    Obviously, the Iranian democracy demonstrators will not fare any better than their Chinese brethren did in Tiananmen Square. But the damage their brutal suppression will do to the Iranian government is going to be huge. The ayatollahs of Tehran have always sold themselves to the world's Islamic faithful as the ultimate theocracy, marrying traditional Muslim values with the needs of modern governance. But now, in the wake of the bloodshed, they are revealed as nothing more than military dictators. All the romance is gone, just as it faded in the wake of the tanks in Budapest and Prague. All that remains is power.

    China, of course, fared better after Tiananmen because of its economic miracle. But Iran has no such future on its horizon. The loss of prestige in the Arab world and the end of the pretense of government with popular support will cost Iran dearly.

    In the meantime, Obama's pathetic performance vis-a-vis Iran and North Korea cannot but send a message to all of America's enemies that the president of the United States does not believe in using power. That he is a wimp and they can get away with whatever they want. A dangerous reputation, indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SplitVizionz View Post
    Anybody care to predict Americas response if this missile is indeed launched at Hawaii?
    These are all tests of Obama. They've tested him more in the first few months than they did in 8 years of Bush. They don't think he will do anything, so they will keep on pushing and escalating. He has to call their bluff at some point. Imagine the message it sends if we allow that ship of illicit arms to continue unimpeded....imagine the message if we allow them to shoot missiles in our direction without any response. Just wow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    These are all tests of Obama. They've tested him more in the first few months than they did in 8 years of Bush. They don't think he will do anything, so they will keep on pushing and escalating. He has to call their bluff at some point. Imagine the message it sends if we allow that ship of illicit arms to continue unimpeded....imagine the message if we allow them to shoot missiles in our direction without any response. Just wow!
    This is why national security is by far most important issue of whom I vote for....

    This isn't a great time for amateur hour in the White House.

    Anybody care to predict Americas response if this missile is indeed launched at Hawaii?
    Sit down and talk about it.
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    Didn't he say something in his inauguration speech about not standing for threats from other countries?
    So much for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SplitVizionz View Post
    Anybody care to predict Americas response if this missile is indeed launched at Hawaii?
    No one will ever know unless they actually hit.

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