2012 Draft

[ASlime]

Trade TT and 2-3 1st round picks.

[NewOrlnsDukie]

Davis screams defensive player of the year. He could possibly be more dominant than Dwight. He will potentially be at least be a better shot blocker. He just has so much length, potential size, natural instinct (especially with shot blocking and even STEALS ), and devotion to defense that I could see it happening. Kyrie and Davis would be one of the scariest duos of all time if we somehow got Davis. Just absolutely sick.

I personally don't think Davis has Howard's potential as a defender, but his offensive potential is soooo much more promising than Dwight's.

Granted, given the degree to which Dwight takes plays off on D, maybe I'm selling Davis short...

To me, the main difficulty with Davis is what I see with Henson. He's just a skinny MF'er. Doesn't matter how wide his shoulders are -- I just don't see how Davis could become the physical presence that Howard is because he is sooo slight of build.

[mAo_mAo]

AD and BB on that Bobcats team is defensively scary. Too much length, quickness, and athleticism.

[metalman213]

i agree that davis has a ton of potential and hes going to be a star without doubt. franchise changing talent. but saying that he will be a better defending kevin garnett with a better jump shot is kind of crazy. i dislike comparing kids who have never played professional ball to stars, nonetheless one of the best big men in history.

[Off-Season God]

I personally don't think Davis has Howard's potential as a defender, but his offensive potential is soooo much more promising than Dwight's.

Granted, given the degree to which Dwight takes plays off on D, maybe I'm selling Davis short...

To me, the main difficulty with Davis is what I see with Henson. He's just a skinny MF'er. Doesn't matter how wide his shoulders are -- I just don't see how Davis could become the physical presence that Howard is because he is sooo slight of build.

If I was a basketball player and you saw me four and a half years ago, you'd say the same thing about me. I was a skinny motherwucker several years back, but, within 18 months of lifting, I put on 90 lbs of weight, and, over time, I eventually stabilized @ 70 lbs above where I started with on top of getting leaner than when I started. If a 6'3" guy can do that, then a 6'10" guy who has a much larger frame than myself should be able to do at least half that without problem. If Davis put on 35 lbs, then he'd be 255-265 (depending on how heavy he is now), which isn't unreasonable for his height and frame. As long as one is dedicated and informed, then it shouldn't be an issue. With world-class strength and conditioning coaches and nutritionists available to him once he hits the NBA, I have no doubt he can reach virtually any weight goal that a coach throws at him.

[NewOrlnsDukie]

If I was a basketball player and you saw me four and a half years ago, you'd say the same thing about me. I was a skinny motherwucker several years back, but, within 18 months of lifting, I put on 90 lbs of weight, and, over time, I eventually stabilized @ 70 lbs above where I started with on top of getting leaner than when I started. If a 6'3" guy can do that, then a 6'10" guy who has a much larger frame than myself should be able to do at least half that without problem. If Davis put on 35 lbs, then he'd be 255-265 (depending on how heavy he is now), which isn't unreasonable for his height and frame. As long as one is dedicated and informed, then it shouldn't be an issue. With world-class strength and conditioning coaches and nutritionists available to him once he hits the NBA, I have no doubt he can reach virtually any weight goal that a coach throws at him.

Howard was 240 when he graduated HS at 18.

He's now 265.

Davis was 200 when he graduated HS and is now 220.

I have a great deal of doubt that he can put on another 35-45 lbs.

[mAo_mAo]

i agree that davis has a ton of potential and hes going to be a star without doubt. franchise changing talent. but saying that he will be a better defending kevin garnett with a better jump shot is kind of crazy. i dislike comparing kids who have never played professional ball to stars, nonetheless one of the best big men in history.

Nothing wrong with that.

[Off-Season God]

i agree that davis has a ton of potential and hes going to be a star without doubt. franchise changing talent. but saying that he will be a better defending kevin garnett with a better jump shot is kind of crazy. i dislike comparing kids who have never played professional ball to stars, nonetheless one of the best big men in history.

Why is it crazy? First off, KG had and has a jump shot. What I really meant is that Davis could be a better jump shooter and possibly be a 3-pt threat. But anyhow. Davis is one of the best defensive prospects (if not the best) to come out of college in a decade or more. He used to be a guard, and his 3-pt shot is already showing potential. His drive to win is off the charts. He's got a high basketball IQ and phenomenal instincts. He's got elite mobility and athleticism for a big. All of this combines into a monstrous prospect.

Besides, it's not like we're comparing Davis as he is right now to those players. We're comparing what the prime version of Davis could be to other players. So essentially we're not comparing kids because the prime version of Davis obviously wouldn't be a kid in his prime. If anyone said that Kyrie was going to do as well as he has, they'd be are were highly questioned. Quite frankly, not one person guessed Kyrie's stats would be where they are right now. Everyone (and I mean everyone) on this forum who guessed seriously guessed below. Everyone is always so reserved especially RCF when it comes to putting a superstar stamp on players early on lest they be wrong and eat crow. People would almost rather guess too low than too high. Now Kyrie's looking like he could be just about anything in the future with his skill set. He could lead the league in scoring, and do it with a high efficiency. He could be Isiah Thomas with a better offensive skill set and efficiency. He could realistically win MVP. Those statements looked much more outlandish 4 months ago than they do now. Kyrie's having a historic rookie season, and, if he keeps on improving his game this season, he'll have the highest PER of any PG in history, and he'll be younger when he does it than any PG that's close to him on that list. He's also leading the league in 4th-quarter scoring since January 27th or something like that, and he's also got by far the highest shooting efficiency out of anyone in the top 5 of that list.

I understand that Davis hasn't played pro ball yet, but that shouldn't stop fans from speculating based off of solid evidence no matter what that evidence points to. We can't just say, "nah, that would be too good to be true," when the evidence suggests that it might.

You gotta leave room for the possibility of greatness!

[Off-Season God]

Howard was 240 when he graduated HS at 18.

He's now 265.

Davis was 200 when he graduated HS and is now 220.

I have a great deal of doubt that he can put on another 35-45 lbs.

This bet would be pretty much impossible to carry out, but I'd bet that, if I were personally assigned to Davis as his strength and conditioning coach and nutritionist, I could put at least 35 lbs of good weight on the guy within a year especially at his height. I'm very involved in the field of exercise science (I have a degree in it and am still considering grad school for it), and I promise you that Davis could get to a solid 265. Davis was about 208 when he graduated, btw. I also believe that Davis weighs more than 220. He weighed that at the beginning of the season. He's put on 5-10 lbs since then from what I've seen.

[MattyFos.]

This bet would be pretty much impossible to carry out, but I'd bet that, if I were personally assigned to Davis as his strength and conditioning coach and nutritionist, I could put at least 35 lbs of good weight on the guy within a year especially at his height. I'm very involved in the field of exercise science (I have a degree in it and am still considering grad school for it), and I promise you that Davis could get to a solid 265. Davis was about 208 when he graduated, btw. I also believe that Davis weighs more than 220. He weighed that at the beginning of the season. He's put on 5-10 lbs since then from what I've seen.

The 5-10 lbs you see is just the added weight from the camera.

[blue_kahuna]

On average, a normal person can gain 2 lbs of muscle weight per month with an effective strength program, proper rest and diet. without using steroids or HGH like Dwight Howard. Just saying.

[Snarly]

Since we are not getting A. Davis anyways. I like our chances In the standings to get a top 5 pick If The Cavs get lucky. Otherwise we end up with that PF/C from Ohio State and put TT at C. In other words a Front of mix and match C/PFs In AV,Sullinger,TT,Samardo mixed with A the likes of casspi and Gee would be pretty scary. We hopefully find a good SG with our second first round pick and all the sudden you have Big man Front line for years to come and this does not rule out trades or FA signings. I love our future no matter what we can and will come out a better team no matter what I have faith In this FO.

[Off-Season God]

The 5-10 lbs you see is just the added weight from the camera.

I don't know if you're being serious, but he certainly has put on a bit of weight since the season started. Not a lot, but some.

On average, a normal person can gain 2 lbs of muscle weight per month with an effective strength program, proper rest and diet. without using steroids or HGH like Dwight Howard. Just saying.

Is there any proof to this claim? Do people say this about people like Dwight and LeBron because they're bigger and stronger than everyone else? Or is it an excuse for themselves? And is the comment on the 2 lbs of muscle a month directed toward those who doubt that people can put on weight that quickly or toward people like me who believe that 2 lbs a month is on the low end and that much more muscle gain per month is possible? Is this average an average for beginners in weight lifting or an average spanning between beginners and 30 year veterans in weightlifting who have reached their genetic limit? For a beginner, much more muscle gain is possible per month. For an intermediate weightlifter, 2 lbs sounds reasonable per month. For a veteran, depending on how close one is to their genetic limit, 5 lbs a year is considered serious progress. For some, a lb or two is great. Those would be guys who have been lifting for over a decade with the specific purpose of putting on as much muscle as possible. But, at that point, you're getting to a size that's much bigger than what a basketball player needs to be. I'd consider Davis to definitely be in the beginner range for a weightlifter.

Since we are not getting A. Davis anyways. I like our chances In the standings to get a top 5 pick If The Cavs get lucky. Otherwise we end up with that PF/C from Ohio State and put TT at C. In other words a Front of mix and match C/PFs In AV,Sullinger,TT,Samardo mixed with A the likes of casspi and Gee would be pretty scary. We hopefully find a good SG with our second first round pick and all the sudden you have Big man Front line for years to come and this does not rule out trades or FA signings. I love our future no matter what we can and will come out a better team no matter what I have faith In this FO.

We got Kyrie on the same chances that we have now, and it's possible to move up as far as 4th before the lottery in this draft realistically. I don't understand this defeatists' attitude when the chances are certainly there.

[blue_kahuna]

I don't know if you're being serious, but he certainly has put on a bit of weight since the season started. Not a lot, but some.



Is there any proof to this claim? Do people say this about people like Dwight and LeBron because they're bigger and stronger than everyone else? Or is it an excuse for themselves? And is the comment on the 2 lbs of muscle a month directed toward those who doubt that people can put on weight that quickly or toward people like me who believe that 2 lbs a month is on the low end and that much more muscle gain per month is possible? Is this average an average for beginners in weight lifting or an average spanning between beginners and 30 year veterans in weightlifting who have reached their genetic limit? For a beginner, much more muscle gain is possible per month. For an intermediate weightlifter, 2 lbs sounds reasonable per month. For a veteran, depending on how close one is to their genetic limit, 5 lbs a year is considered serious progress. For some, a lb or two is great. Those would be guys who have been lifting for over a decade with the specific purpose of putting on as much muscle as possible. But, at that point, you're getting to a size that's much bigger than what a basketball player needs to be. I'd consider Davis to definitely be in the beginner range for a weightlifter.



We got Kyrie on the same chances that we have now, and it's possible to move up as far as 4th before the lottery in this draft realistically. I don't understand this defeatists' attitude when the chances are certainly there.

I'm no expert but I believe 2 lbs of muscle per month is on the high end for someone who is starting out. That's normal progress, meaning under the bell curve. Of course you're gonna have those genetic freaks who can build muscle much more easy than the average joe. Hence you don't see a plethora of people working out for one year and they all look like they can be on the cover of GQ magazine. And about the Dwight Howard thing, I was just fucking around lol. I'm just jealous of his physique.

[NewOrlnsDukie]

This bet would be pretty much impossible to carry out, but I'd bet that, if I were personally assigned to Davis as his strength and conditioning coach and nutritionist, I could put at least 35 lbs of good weight on the guy within a year especially at his height. I'm very involved in the field of exercise science (I have a degree in it and am still considering grad school for it), and I promise you that Davis could get to a solid 265. Davis was about 208 when he graduated, btw. I also believe that Davis weighs more than 220. He weighed that at the beginning of the season. He's put on 5-10 lbs since then from what I've seen.

Oh dear lord, we've gotten to CV penis-measurements.

As an MD who used to be the team physician for the New Orleans Voodoo (Arena League) and an advisor to the team physician for the Saints, I guess I'm probably totally useless in this discussion. I'm not going to get into it, but the likelihood that 35-45 lbs on Davis' frame, esp during the season, would be productive, is minimal...