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    Default Re: What are the Cavs going to do at C?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man Called X View Post
    At this point with Miller's injuries and last 2-3 year of season stats, Gibson is the better player. Period. Sad to say so, but better shooter, better defender. Only thing Miller has is better passing, and even that's overrated.

    If you guys paid attention, everyone LeBron has wanted to be his teammate has been garbage.

    Laura Hughes, Shaq, Antwan, Miller

    Hell he wanted Bibby, garbage. Do I need to continue? LeBron is trying to be the MJ of GM's instead of the MJ of 3-peats.
    Ironically, you have hit on exactly the strategy from the Cavs point of view in the proposed trade. Cavs move a player that they know is not in their long term plans, but may be desirous to MIA 1) because of the unique talent blend Gibson brings to their lineup, but more importantly 2) The desire of the king with no crown to re-uinite with his harem (I'm sure a reconciliation can be arranged.) This second item would create the leverage for a deal that Riley normally wouldn't make, but MIGHT make to placate the crown-less king.

    Also:

    I should state that I would actually trade Gibson one-to-one for Pittman if the lapsed CBA allowed. Gibson, who has proven to be an unreliable player is-what-he-is: a 6-2 SG. This is a luxury not available to a rebuilding team. Ultimately , the difference between Gibson and Miller is that Miller is an established NBA STARTING SG/SF. Gibson will never be this; he should not be considered a core developmental piece and should be moved for developmental assets [a DEVELOPMENTAL center prospect such as Pittman.

    I think Samardo Samuels is a good developmental player.

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    Default Re: What are the Cavs going to do at C?

    Mike miller hasnt played mroe than 55 games in two years. get off his jock. Miller had a -8 per.

    hes done its over. he would give the cavs a contract they dont need for a guy in decline.

    gibson merits more value than a guy like Pittman who hasnt shown or proven a thing and isnt really an upgrade over any center we have on the roster.

    pittman couldnt even lead his teams in rebounds at texas and he was rarely open for shots. He isnt even the best prospect out of the d league.

    Gibson meanwhile brings you a starter caliber player off the bench who plays with intensity and improves the team offensively and defensively when he is on the court.

    Acquiring pittman doesnt give the cavs anything they dont already have.

    and my roy suggestion was a joke . a bit of an exaggeration of the idiocy you not only proposed but are strongly advocating.

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    Default Re: What are the Cavs going to do at C?

    Are there any legs to this Boobie & filler to Miami -for- Pittman & Mike Miller swap or this just something manufactured by a poster on these boards??

    Pittman or no Pittman, I think it's HIGHLY unlikely that Dan Gilbert would sign off on any trade that would help LeBron James win a championship. Pittman's pretty much a fringe prospect and Miller is signed for 2 years beyond what Boobie is, so what's the attraction for the Cavaliers??

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    Default Re: What are the Cavs going to do at C?

    Quote Originally Posted by sailfish View Post
    Are there any legs to this Boobie & filler to Miami -for- Pittman & Mike Miller swap or this just something manufactured by a poster on these boards??

    Pittman or no Pittman, I think it's HIGHLY unlikely that Dan Gilbert would sign off on any trade that would help LeBron James win a championship. Pittman's pretty much a fringe prospect and Miller is signed for 2 years beyond what Boobie is, so what's the attraction for the Cavaliers??
    this was a trade machine suggestion by commd. it broke james heart when pittman was reassigned to d league for the 2nd stint so comm must think he is worthwhile

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tornicade View Post
    this was a trade machine suggestion by commd. it broke james heart when pittman was reassigned to d league for the 2nd stint so comm must think he is worthwhile
    Say what?

    Unclear: are you saying you read a news story in which James publicly indicated he was not in agreement with Pittman being assigned to the D=League for a second time?

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    Default Re: What are the Cavs going to do at C?

    By the way, no trade machine consulted. Not interested in this diversion.

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    Default Re: What are the Cavs going to do at C?

    I'm all for taking a chance on a young C but Pittman hasn't shown anything to make him worth taking on a bad contract or give up any value for him. You only take a chance if you can get him very cheap. He's far from a sure thing. Just played 11 minutes in 2 games last season and averaged 14.5 pts and 8.2 reb's in the D league. Didn't exactly dominate there either.

    It's very doubtful the Cavs will make any move that could help the Heat too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by action View Post
    To put that in perspective, Martin was playing behind Danny Fortson as a freshman. Also, one and done was still rare, as opposed to the norm for top recruits - as I recall coaches still expected you to play four years when they recruited you, though obviously times were-a-changing. Thompson would probably have been benched in 1997 too.

    Again, it's not a bad comparison (nice ceiling as jigo points out). Kenyon was known as just a dunker and defender until his senior year. However, Martin was feared on both ends of the court for years, stats don't do justice to what kind of force he was in college.
    Martin was so good in college that after his injury, his bearcats, were awarded a number 2 seed despite being the number one ranked team in the media poll.

    Projecting Tristan Thompson as close to Kenyon is very optimistic.

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    Gibson does not want anything to do with LeBum. I doubt LeBum wants anything to do with Gibson. These two do not seem to care for one another at all. Don't send Gibson to Miami, Gibson has been a class act don't reward this by sending him to LeBum's team. Dealing Gibson is fine, I figure Boobie wants to win, so send him to a contender not LeChoke's team. Give Boobie a chance!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommD View Post
    Say what?

    Unclear: are you saying you read a news story in which James publicly indicated he was not in agreement with Pittman being assigned to the D=League for a second time?
    He said exactly what Tornicade said he did: http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2011...ttman-being-re

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    Default Re: What are the Cavs going to do at C?

    Quote Originally Posted by NarlCavs View Post
    I'm all for taking a chance on a young C but Pittman hasn't shown anything to make him worth taking on a bad contract or give up any value for him.
    I don't see the Cavs taking on Mike Miller's salary unless they get a better prospect than Pittman. The rule changes in the NBA have made players like Pittman something for the history books, and that's assuming that he doesn't eat his way out of the league.

    I also don't see the Cavs picking up any more players of Pittman's talent level while Erden, Samuels, Gee, Harangody, Eyenga, and Harris are still on the roster. After all, Pittman was a #32 pick and the Cavs already traded that away this summer.
    Last edited by Douglar; 07-17-2011 at 10:58 PM. Reason: typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biw999 View Post
    He said exactly what Tornicade said he did: http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2011...ttman-being-re
    Interesting, and thank you for the link.

    By the way, I have never seen that article, so just the statement made by Tornicade in his post concerning my assessment of Pittman has no validity. Just clarifying the record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Douglar View Post
    I don't see the Cavs taking on Mike Miller's salary unless they get a better prospect than Pittman. The rule changes in the NBA have made players like Pittman something for the history books, and that's assuming that he doesn't east his way out of the league.
    I'm assuming you meant "eat", and if so I agree. The guy was 388 pounds as a senior in High School. He's lost a lot of weight but, the guy is still hovering at ~310lbs. I think he's always going to be battling issues with his weight and conditioning.

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    388? Are you !&%@ing me? After Diop and Kemp, this team wants no part of that...
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    Default Re: What are the Cavs going to do at C?

    The NBA lockout isn't the only lockout that should take place..some of these trade proposals need to be locked out also.
    The fact is no matter how good any player on the Heat is..Gilbert isn't about to sign off on a trade with that team UNLESS it is absolutely factual the Cavs get the best end of the deal..and even then I'm not sure he does that.

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