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    Default Re: Potential destinations for Ramon Sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by RTrees View Post
    Semi-related question. If, or when Sessions is traded who backs up the pg spot?

    Please dont say Manny Harris or Boobie. They are 2's.

    Does anyone feel like we could invite Ben Uzoh back for 10-15 minutes a night? Is there a deadline on signing players to 10 day contracts or for the rest of the season?

    What are some other options?
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    Hawks’ Marvin Williams wants out, Cavs can capitalize with Ramon Sessions

    By Sam Drew on February 21st, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Injuries may not be the only distractions the Atlanta Hawks will have to go through this season.

    According to ESPN’s Chris Broussard, small forward Marvin Williams is frustrated with his place on the team and wants the organization to trade him.

    “Frustration abounds in Atlanta right now, and sources say Williams wants out because he wants to play somewhere where he’ll have an increased role offensively.”

    Through 28 games this season, Williams is averaging a career-low 9.6 points per game as a permanent starter. Williams also averages 5.4 rebounds, 1.2 assists and 0.6 steals in just 24.2 minutes per game—the lowest in his career.

    Despite a decrease in scoring over the last five seasons, Williams’ 16.3 PER this season is the highest of his career. He’s also shooting a career-high 44.4 percent from downtown on the year.

    If the Hawks put Marvin Williams on the trading block, the Cleveland Cavaliers would likely be a team of interest.

    Since LeBron James’ leaving for the Miami Heat, the Cavs have gotten limited production from the small forward position. This season, players have produced a 10.9 PER from the spot—more than four points below the NBA average.

    Williams would be an instant upgrade over Cavs’ Alonzo Gee and Omri Casspi, who have PERs of 12.6 and 10.9, respectively, on the season. Cleveland traded for Casspi last season, but he has failed to make the impact general manager Chris Grant said he would make.

    Williams’ development as an outside shooter would also fill a need the Cavs have looked for from the 3 position. He also comes somewhat cheap. The 25-year-old is on the books for $7.5 million this season and is signed through 2013-14 but can opt for free agency after next season.

    With the emergence of rookie point guard Kyrie Irving, backup Ramon Sessions has become expendable. Last trade deadline, the Cavs and Hawks were in talks that would have sent Sessions to Atlanta, and the same could happen next month.

    Atlanta’s backcourt situation has been a mess this season, and Sessions would be a breath of fresh air for the Hawks.

    Joe Johnson, who the Hawks signed to a six-year, $123.7 million in July 2010, has put up PERs of 16.4 and 16.6 the last two seasons—the lowest since the 2004-05 season. Starting point guard Jeff Teague has a 16.1 PER this season, but reserves Jannero Pargo and Kirk Hinrich have PERs of 12.3 and 7.3, respectively.

    Cavs could also “sweeten” the deal by adding backup center Ryan Hollins. Although Hollins, who is averaging just 3.1 points and 1.6 rebounds in 11.0 minutes per game, isn’t an impact player, he does add depth for the Hawks, who are without Jason Collins and starter Al Horford.

    Atlanta may also have interest in reserve Samardo Samuels, who can play both the center and power forward positions.

    Cleveland is currently 12-17 this season and sits ninth in the Eastern Conference—just two games behind the Boston Celtics. Williams could be the missing piece to take the last playoff spot, if not more.
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    Default Re: Potential destinations for Ramon Sessions

    You know, Ramon has been playing great ball lately. I will be kind of sad to see him go, because if he can mesh with Kyrie then we'd have a good 1-2 punch when we go small ball for stretches of the game. Looks like Ramon just can't do that though.
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    No thank you. Marvin is ok, but idk if I want to take on his contract. I only do this deal on draft night and we know we have 1 or 2 so we can take one of the bigs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMsix6 View Post
    Taking on 2 of those contracts (Blake, Walton) to add a mid 20s pick is reeeeaaaally expensive. Walton is making ~$9mil over the rest of this year and next season, and he's absolutely worthless. Blake is making $12 over 3 years and could be a passable backup, but that's a hefty price to pay for a very mediocre pick. Probably not worth it from a financial standpoint.
    Yeah, you're likely right. But, I look at Blake is a viable backup PG that is locked in at a reasonable contract over the next couple years. If the Cavs trade Sessions and don't get a PG back, they're gonna have to deal with getting one in free agency (or drafting one) since I don't consider Gibson a PG (and he's always hurt anyways).

    The $9M for Walton is essentially what the 2nd first round pick is worth. Yes, that is high, but the Cavs have the cap space to absorb him and he could either be bought out or kept as an expiring asset next season. I'm big on continuing to collect assets, even if they are tied to mediocre players on bad contracts. It's only one more season and the Cavs are going to have the space anyways. It's also easy for me to say since it's not my money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gymbo View Post
    Yeah, you're likely right. But, I look at Blake is a viable backup PG that is locked in at a reasonable contract over the next couple years. If the Cavs trade Sessions and don't get a PG back, they're gonna have to deal with getting one in free agency (or drafting one) since I don't consider Gibson a PG (and he's always hurt anyways).

    The $9M for Walton is essentially what the 2nd first round pick is worth. Yes, that is high, but the Cavs have the cap space to absorb him and he could either be bought out or kept as an expiring asset next season. I'm big on continuing to collect assets, even if they are tied to mediocre players on bad contracts. It's only one more season and the Cavs are going to have the space anyways. It's also easy for me to say since it's not my money.
    Walton would get bought out. Ive heard due to his injuries hes close to retirement.
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    "sweeten the deal by adding Hollins." Not sure what kind of sweetner Broussard is talking about, but I'd do Sessions + Hollins with a second rounder thrown in for an ATL first and Williams for sure.

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    Cavs could also “sweeten” the deal by adding backup center Ryan Hollins. Although Hollins, who is averaging just 3.1 points and 1.6 rebounds in 11.0 minutes per game, isn’t an impact player, he does add depth for the Hawks, who are without Jason Collins and starter Al Horford.
    I laughed out loud when I saw this. The word "sweeten" and Ryan Hollins should never be used in the same sentence.

    Does Broussard not know his head from his ass? I can't believe this guy has a job. I saw him the other day breaking down trade scenarios, and they looked more ridiculous than some of the suggestions you read on message boards. He had Wade and Bosh going to Orlando.

    He should just stop speculating. He doesn't know what he's talking about.
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    Default Re: Potential destinations for Ramon Sessions

    Actually I just realized Broussard didn't write this. All Broussard said is that Williams is unhappy. This guy clearly doesn't watch the Cavs. Hollins, for all his athleticism and ability to run the floor, can't even do that right because it looks like he's arms/hands which resemble dog paws when he runs.

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    For all of you hawks front office trolling the RCF site, we are just joking about Hollins. He really is terrific and will help your front court from Day 1. You know a first, Marvin, and maybe Ivan Johnson just to keep the rosters even, will get you Sessions, and Hollins. Lets make it happen!
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    But seriously, Starvin Marvin is not my first (or even top ten list) for small forward in the league, and is even less so if he is going to whine about his points. But if it gets me a first for Sessions, I am down with that. No way Samardo is a throw in though. I would consider giving up Eyenga though, if they don't bite on Holllins. .
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    Default Re: Potential destinations for Ramon Sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by RTrees View Post
    Semi-related question. If, or when Sessions is traded who backs up the pg spot?

    Please dont say Manny Harris or Boobie. They are 2's.

    Does anyone feel like we could invite Ben Uzoh back for 10-15 minutes a night? Is there a deadline on signing players to 10 day contracts or for the rest of the season?

    What are some other options?
    Its Boobie (duh) and in a pinch Parker can handle point... If we trade with the Lakers, I would like to get Goudelac back. I think he is a good project at point over time.
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    I doubt the Cavs would be interested. He really doesn't fit the "rebuild" mold. I'm not sure it is worth swallowing his large contract, just for a late first rounder(that's clearly the only way we'd even entertain this trade).

    Not to mention I don't think we have anything the Hawks would really want. I'm sure they'd want some value, and not just a clean salary dump.

    I really don't think Williams is that much better than Gee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CleveRocks View Post
    Its Boobie (duh) and in a pinch Parker can handle point... If we trade with the Lakers, I would like to get Goudelac back. I think he is a good project at point over time.
    Kyrie's role would obviously expand once Sessions is gone. I think the plan all along was to get him to around 35 plus minutes after the all-star, when hopefully Sessions is gone, to make that doable. Having Boobie play spot minutes at that position is not a concern for now. I'm sure in the off-season though the Cavs would try to sign someone for dirt cheap to fill that void.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chich292... View Post
    Hawks’ Marvin Williams wants out, Cavs can capitalize with Ramon Sessions
    (Unless they throw in a 1st or sweeten the deal in some other way)

    Quote Originally Posted by RTrees View Post
    Semi-related question. If, or when Sessions is traded who backs up the pg spot?

    Please dont say Manny Harris or Boobie. They are 2's.
    We're not competing for anything, so it really doesn't matter at this point. We can deal with Boobie for the rest of the season and worry more about it in the off-season.

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