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    Default Re: Potential destinations for Ramon Sessions

    I'd rather see Sessions walk for nothing than trade him for Marvin Williams. Why would we trade Sessions for another player with identical age, talent and potential and a 7.5 million dollar contract that extends for another two years after this one? You might as well just give Sessions a new deal. It's the definition of a lateral move. Completely pointless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AMC View Post
    You're right, a 6'9" Small Forward is just like the 6'5" guard that Larry Hughes is.
    I am right, except Marvin is much more incapable on offense.

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    Default Re: Potential destinations for Ramon Sessions

    Aside from L.A. Sessions could potentially be moved to Portland where Raymond Felton is not working out, and the Cavs would likely look to acquire Batum. A possible deal would probably require Varejao returning from injury in order to happen and would look something like Varejao and Sessions for Batum, Felton and maybe a pick. Felton's deal is expiring so it would be a Baron Davis type acquisition.

    One other option would be to Utah if they decide none of the guard prospects in the mid teen range where they are drafting have the potential to be as good as Sessions. Remember that Sessions is still very young and can fit on a team looking for an accelerated youth movement. They can acquire Sessions for a pick with their Okur exception. The pick would definitely be protected and might not be something we can cash in this year. This would be a longshot though with the potential of Sessions opting out of his contract and leaving the Jazz with nothing.

    Because of his opt out potential I wouldn't be surprised to see Sessions remain with the Cavs. He's just not the caliber of player that you would rent for a championship run. And if we can't get a first or work him into a deal for a difference maker than who really cares?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wee zer View Post
    I'd rather see Sessions walk for nothing than trade him for Marvin Williams. Why would we trade Sessions for another player with identical age, talent and potential and a 7.5 million dollar contract that extends for another two years after this one? You might as well just give Sessions a new deal. It's the definition of a lateral move. Completely pointless.
    Because Sessions is a PG (the Cavs already have a pretty good one in case you missed it) and they currently have Omri Casspi and Alonzo Gee playing SF. I like Gee quite a bit, but he is better suited as a SG than an SF. Casspi is terrible. The SF spot needs addressed in some fashion. You simply can't have rookies and second or third year players at every position. That's generally how your team winds up like the Wizards or the Kings. I don't think anyone is trying to say that he's an All-Star or is suddenly going to become one in Cleveland. All I'm saying is that he's certainly a guy that could average 14 pts and 6 reb for the Cavs and be a solid defender.

    The Cavs may need to replace 37 ppg if Tawn, Sessions, and Andy are all traded. Williams has played on teams his entire career where he was the 4th option behind Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, and Horford (sometimes Jamal Crawford as well) and never played with a good PG. Maybe the Cavs acquire him, let him start for a while, and then he becomes the 6th man a year or two from now. His contract is insignificant with the amount of money the Cavs have coming off the books, and it's not even that much to begin with. I just don't see that many great options for Sessions at this point. Basically the Cavs are either going to do a deal such as this, or they are going to wait around and see what LA does and run the risk of getting nothing in return.

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    Default Re: Potential destinations for Ramon Sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by CavsFanLA View Post
    makes more sense that letting Sessions walk for nothing
    Cap space > Marvin Williams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wee zer View Post
    Aside from L.A. Sessions could potentially be moved to Portland where Raymond Felton is not working out, and the Cavs would likely look to acquire Batum. A possible deal would probably require Varejao returning from injury in order to happen and would look something like Varejao and Sessions for Batum, Felton and maybe a pick. Felton's deal is expiring so it would be a Baron Davis type acquisition.

    One other option would be to Utah if they decide none of the guard prospects in the mid teen range where they are drafting have the potential to be as good as Sessions. Remember that Sessions is still very young and can fit on a team looking for an accelerated youth movement. They can acquire Sessions for a pick with their Okur exception. The pick would definitely be protected and might not be something we can cash in this year. This would be a longshot though with the potential of Sessions opting out of his contract and leaving the Jazz with nothing.

    Because of his opt out potential I wouldn't be surprised to see Sessions remain with the Cavs. He's just not the caliber of player that you would rent for a championship run. And if we can't get a first or work him into a deal for a difference maker than who really cares?
    Sessions will at least get the full MLE from someone, which is more than what he'd get if he exercised his option would be with the Cavs. Plus, he'll sign somewhere where he can be a starter, not pick up his option so he can ride the pine behing Kyrie. Sessions could start for a number of teams, including Utah, Portland, LA, Miami (gasp!), possibly Phoenix when Nash bolts, among several others. It'd be idiotic for him to pick up that option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCongoKid View Post
    Sessions will at least get the full MLE from someone, which is more than what he'd get if he exercised his option would be with the Cavs. Plus, he'll sign somewhere where he can be a starter, not pick up his option so he can ride the pine behing Kyrie. Sessions could start for a number of teams, including Utah, Portland, LA, Miami (gasp!), possibly Phoenix when Nash bolts, among several others. It'd be idiotic for him to pick up that option.
    Exactly, that's what I'm saying, there's a really good chance he won't be traded because he can opt out and will be a free agent. "Remain with the Cavs" as in through the rest of the season, not next year.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCongoKid View Post
    You simply can't have rookies and second or third year players at every position. That's generally how your team winds up like the Wizards or the Kings.
    You end up like the Kings when you try to fill vacancies with JJ Hickson and John Salmons, guys that proved they couldn't be contributors to a good team. That's the equivalent of what a Marvin Williams acquisition would be. The Cavs need to be patient and look for the home run rather than bring in a scrub because they're desperate to see a return on Sessions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huber14 View Post
    I don't know, Barnes and Metta are pretty bad.
    so is beasley

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    Quote Originally Posted by wee zer View Post
    Exactly, that's what I'm saying, there's a really good chance he won't be traded because he can opt out and will be a free agent. "Remain with the Cavs" as in through the rest of the season, not next year.

    The Cavs need to be patient and look for the home run rather than bring in a scrub because they're desperate to see a return on Sessions.
    What if there is no home run trade? Remember, it takes two to tango. It's not often that trades are so one-sided that one side can claim a home run.

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    Default Re: Potential destinations for Ramon Sessions

    I swear, every time I see a new post has been added to this thread, I get a little giddy when I click to view it, hoping there is a tweet, or a legit rumor....but I'm always left with sadness.

    Need to hear SOMETHING of substance! I'm begging! Nothing against any of the posters here, I just really want something in return for Sessions.

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    All the great threads over the years. God I love free agency and the trade deadline. Nothing will get your heart pumping like a news article claiming were in serious trade talks with someone. Here are some of my favorites:

    The Official Phil Jackson to Cleveland thread
    Joe Johnson a Top Priority?
    Redd + Z + Jasikevicius?
    The Redd Watch
    Larry Hughes Becoming # 1 Option
    Kemp comeback
    How can we trade Laura Hughes?
    Amare Safari
    Amare Safari pt 2
    Mike Bibby Watch
    Mike Bibby Watch pt 2
    Chris Bosh a possibility?
    Mike Miller wants to play with Lebron
    What can we get for the tpe?
    BARON DAVIS TRADE SAFARI AND SUICIDE WATCH ALL IN ONE !!!!
    The Lebron Safari 2014
    Ramon Sessions Trade Possibilities
    Antawn Jamison Trade Possibilities

    …..Not to mention all the official trade deadline threads
    Wiggins Watch 2014

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    Default Re: Potential destinations for Ramon Sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by bigfoot5415 View Post
    All the great threads over the years. God I love free agency and the trade deadline. Nothing will get your heart pumping like a news article claiming were in serious trade talks with someone. Here are some of my favorites:

    The Official Phil Jackson to Cleveland thread
    Joe Johnson a Top Priority?
    Redd + Z + Jasikevicius?
    The Redd Watch
    Larry Hughes Becoming # 1 Option
    Kemp comeback
    How can we trade Laura Hughes?
    Amare Safari
    Amare Safari pt 2
    Mike Bibby Watch
    Mike Bibby Watch pt 2
    Chris Bosh a possibility?
    Mike Miller wants to play with Lebron
    What can we get for the tpe?
    BARON DAVIS TRADE SAFARI AND SUICIDE WATCH ALL IN ONE !!!!
    The Lebron Safari 2014
    Ramon Sessions Trade Possibilities
    Antawn Jamison Trade Possibilities

    …..Not to mention all the official trade deadline threads
    lol. I haven't thought about Sarunas Jasikevicius in years. Also, the Safaris were so much fun. Good times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phills1 View Post
    lol. I haven't thought about Sarunas Jasikevicius in years. Also, the Safari's were so much fun. Good times.
    Hopefully were in for a good Safari Season. Good Season to you!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by K2I View Post
    I am right, except Marvin is much more incapable on offense.
    You are so wrong it's laughable

    Larry Hughes has never been able to shoot the ball as well as Marvin does, in fact Hughes only had 1 season were is fg% was over 45%

    45% is Marvin’s average for his career, a full 5% points higher than Hughes career fg%. This season Marvin's fg% is down but that can be taken as an anomoly due to the lockout.

    This isn't even getting into the difference in each players health/durability which at least needs an honorable mention when you compare anyone to Hughes.. Hughes has never played more than 70 games in a season in his whole career, Marvin's already hit 80 games 3 times.

    Marvin is a guy that will play with-in a team concept were Hughes was shot chucker. Hughes played his best on bad teams and stopped caring when he didn't get his shots or stats.

    Hughes never really seemed to have any heart/desire to win, most of the time Hughes seemed like he was just going through the motions. This seemed even more noticeable while on the Cavs, that trend has seemed to continue after he was moved, which is not surprising.

    Williams

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/...aknbw2bgAZPaB4

    Hughes

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/...aknbw2bgA7PKB4

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    Default Re: Potential destinations for Ramon Sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by wee zer View Post
    Cap space > Marvin Williams.
    Marvin Williams and a 1st rd pick > Cap Space.

    Though, I don't believe we'd be able to manage that out of Atlanta, that's the only way I'd accept a Marvin Williams trade.

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