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    Quote Originally Posted by kiji View Post
    Scouts Inc. Rankings/Ratings
    1. Andrew Luck* QB Stanford 99
    3. Robert Griffin III* QB Baylor 96
    15. Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M 93
    22. Brock Osweiler* QB Arizona St. 90

    Pretty surprised to see Tannehill and Osweiler that high. CBS seems to agree however.

    1 *Andrew Luck
    2 *Robert Griffin III
    11 Ryan Tannehill
    45 *Brock Osweiler

    Not sure what to make of the surge up the board.

    Historical rating comparisons:

    -------2011-------
    Cam Newton QB Panthers 93
    Jake Locker QB Titans 90
    Blaine Gabbert QB Jaguars 96
    Christian Ponder QB Vikings 85

    -------2010-------
    Sam Bradford QB Rams 97
    Tim Tebow QB Broncos 78

    -------2009-------
    Matthew Stafford QB Lions 96
    Mark Sanchez QB Jets 95
    Josh Freeman QB Buccaneers 85
    Osweiler has a cannon and he has the size you want. He looks like Ben when he was coming out of Miami of Ohio. Tannehill.. Eh I would pass. If we can't get RG3 I would get Osweiler with the 22nd pick.

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    I'd pass on Osweiler.



    This is his bowl game and he looks bad under pressure. His stats looked good but thats because of the system he ran in. Look at the video. He overthrew the ball many many times. He made some bad throws that should have been intercepted. He doesnt look good throwing to men on the move. He throws accurately to guys who are standing still from a hook route. His 2 TDs were because his receivers made the plays, not him.

    Reminds me way too much of Derek Anderson. You can draft him as a developmental QB, but we have McCoy for that. So pass.
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    The guy I actually like a lot, besides Luck and Griffin, is Brandon Weeden. Too bad he's a million years old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Shakalu View Post
    The guy I actually like a lot, besides Luck and Griffin, is Brandon Weeden. Too bad he's a million years old.
    Yeah I like Weeden a lot. Hopefully he can stick around as long as Warner did.

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    I'm not really convinced Osweiler is a good fit for the system, though he is an intriguing developmental project. A 90 rating though? Obviously a big guy that can take a hit in this division is a plus, but he's comically tall. Seems like there could be some unforeseen issues.

    While I will say 2011 Tannehill looks better than 2010 Tannehill, a 93 rating seems a bit off. He looks to me like an athlete playing QB. His throwing motion seems a little odd. It appears like he holds and throws the ball low, albeit quickly. He looks a lot like a bigger version of Colt playing in a lot of ways.

    I just think the ratings are a bit high. They seem like guys that wont be ready to start right away. If they had said they were 3rd round prospects, I would not have been surprised.
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    The Miami Dolphins will have either Matt Flynn or Ryan Tannehill as their starting QB next year. Between head coach Joe Philbin (Former O Coordinator in Green Bay) and offensive coordinator Mike Sherman (Former Head coach at Texas A&M) they have enough knowledge of those 2 guys to make a decision on who best fits what they are going to do. Ideally, Miami waits for Tannehill which means Washington will have a very good shot at landing Matt Flynn. That's a dream scenario for the Browns. Seattle at #12 seems like a long way to go to get to #2 or 3. Leaving open RG3 to be available at #4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiji View Post
    Scouts Inc. Rankings/Ratings
    1. Andrew Luck* QB Stanford 99
    3. Robert Griffin III* QB Baylor 96
    15. Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M 93
    22. Brock Osweiler* QB Arizona St. 90

    Pretty surprised to see Tannehill and Osweiler that high. CBS seems to agree however.

    1 *Andrew Luck
    2 *Robert Griffin III
    11 Ryan Tannehill
    45 *Brock Osweiler

    Not sure what to make of the surge up the board.

    Historical rating comparisons:

    -------2011-------
    Cam Newton QB Panthers 93
    Jake Locker QB Titans 90
    Blaine Gabbert QB Jaguars 96
    Christian Ponder QB Vikings 85

    -------2010-------
    Sam Bradford QB Rams 97
    Tim Tebow QB Broncos 78

    -------2009-------
    Matthew Stafford QB Lions 96
    Mark Sanchez QB Jets 95
    Josh Freeman QB Buccaneers 85
    What was Colt McCoy's grade? I went to scout.com and it has McCoy as a 5 star NFL Prospect

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigjmac0815 View Post
    What was Colt McCoy's grade? I went to scout.com and it has McCoy as a 5 star NFL Prospect
    According to ESPN's site.

    Colt McCoy - 86
    Jimmy Clausen - 89

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigjmac0815 View Post
    What was Colt McCoy's grade? I went to scout.com and it has McCoy as a 5 star NFL Prospect
    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft...548/colt-mccoy

    Scouts Inc Grade: 86
    QB Rank: 3
    Overall Rank: 44
    Drafted: 85th Overall (21st pick in 3rd round)

    Production 1
    2005: Redshirted
    2006: (13/13)  217 for 318 (68.2 pct.), 2,570 yards, 29 TD, 7 INT; 68 carries, 170 yards, 2 TD
    2007: (13/13) -- 276 for 424 attempts (65.1 pct.), 3,303 yards, 22 TD, 18 INT; 114 carries, 492 yards, 4 TD
    2008: (13/13) -- 332 for 433 (76.7 pct.), 3,859 yards, 34 TD, 8 INT; 136 carries, 561 yards, 11 TD

    Height-Weight-Speed 4
    Has good speed for the position but height is marginal and he doesn't have much room to add bulk to his shorter, somewhat lean frame.

    Durability 2
    McCoy has started all 53 games during his four seasons of eligibility. Lack of size creates some concern about ability to hold up physically in the NFL. Also coming off shoulder injury during first quarter of BCS title game but has fully recovered and not expected to have any long-term fallout.

    Intangibles 1
    Exceptional intangibles. His physical toughness is unquestionable. His teammates respect and believe in him. He's a proven leader and winner. Finishes career with FBS career record of 45 wins as a starting QB.
    Mental Markup 3
    Gunslinger type mentality. Was one of the toughest QB's in college football the past couple seasons. Is intelligent and hard working. Scored an above average 25 on the Wonderlic Test. However, he needs to make a big adjustment in the NFL, especially when it comes to going through progressions in the pocket. He clearly locks onto primary target too often. He forces too many throws into coverage when the rush is closing in on him. Also has been very inconsistent in big games/clutch situations throughout his career.

    Accuracy 2
    Displays excellent timing and touch on underneath passes. Knows how to hit his receivers in stride. Also shows good overall accuracy when throwing on the run, especially when rolling to his right. However, no quarterback in this class attempted fewer passes beyond 15 yards than McCoy. His completion-percentage is very much deceiving. He struggles with accuracy and timing on the deep ball. Far less accurate on intermediate timing routes, as well.

    Release 3
    He does have a quick release but it tends to come out of his hand at about 10 o'clock. He has gotten into a bad habit of short-striding a lot of his throws, which leads to him throwing off-balance. He fails to follow through on too many of his throws, as well.

    Arm Strength 4
    Arm strength is below average. He does not show the ability to drive the ball down the field in the vertical passing game. He will need great timing in order to develop into a successful deep-ball passer.

    Mobility 2
    Faster and more agile than most starting NFL quarterbacks today. He has quick feet, can avoid the rush and is a very competitive, tough runner. But the more film we study of him the more concerns we have about his pocket presence. He gets happy feet and floats out of the pocket too soon. He feels the rush coming too late at times and makes a lot of mistakes when the rush is closing in on him.
    1 = Exceptional2 = Above average3 = Average4 = Below average5 = Marginal
    The scouting report is dead on IMO with the exception of the "knows how to hit receivers in stride". We haven't seen near the competency they describe in this report.

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    Hey Phills1, is there a scouting report for RG3 like this yet? That report is dead on Colt.

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    Hey Phills1, is there a scouting report for RG3 like this yet? That report is dead on Colt.
    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft...rt-griffin-iii

    Scounts Inc Grade: 96
    QB Rank: 2
    Overall Rank: 3
    Drafted: ??

    Production 1
    "2008: (12/11) 160 of 267 (59.9 pct.), 2,901 yards, 15 TD, 3 INT.
    2009: (3/3) 45 of 69 (65.2), 481 yards, 4 TD, 0 INT.
    2010: (13/13) 304 of 454 (67.0), 3,501 yards, 22 TD, 8 INT.
    2011: (13/13) 291 of 402 (72.4), 4,293 yards, 37 TD, 6 INT.
    Career: 528 carries, 2,273 yards (4.3 avg.), 33 TD. "

    Height-Weight-Speed 2
    Height is below-average and could present some issues for him as a pocket passer in NFL. Bulk is adequate but he can continue to get bigger and stronger. Possesses elite top-end speed and agility for the position.

    Durability 4
    This is one of the biggest areas of concern with Griffin as a top-tier prospect. Suffered a season-ending torn ACL in his right knee during the third game of the 2009 season against Northwestern State. Missed the second half of the 2011 Texas Tech game with what appeared to be concussion-like symptoms.

    Intangibles 1
    "A well-rounded individual. Was raised in a military family. Excellent student. Graduated in December 2010 with a degree in political science and has aspirations of attending law school. Is mature and humble. (Uh Oh, we've heard that word before ) Has great personal discipline. Also has a very good work ethic. Is mentally prepared to handle rigors of being a starting quarterback at the NFL level. Ultra-competitive. Can rub his teammates the wrong way at times, but the same can be said of most elite quarterbacks. Winner of the 2011 Heisman Trophy. Also was a member of the Baylor track team during his true freshman year (2008) and won the Big 12 400-meter hurdles on his way to being named an All-American."
    Mental Makeup 2
    "Baylor's Offense does not translate to the NFL game. Has a lot to learn about identifying coverages and hot reads. Had very simple reads, and there is very little tape of him checking from one side of the field to the other. Lack of ideal height leads to some problems seeing entire field at times. However, is an intelligent and disciplined individual. Has a great work ethic and is capable of digesting a new system quickly. His mobility also gives him more room for error in this department than many other quarterback prospects."

    Accuracy 2
    "Short accuracy is still a work in progress. Lacks ideal touch and needs to learn how to take some MPH off his fastball. Is oftena bit off-target on underneath throws, which lessens run-after-catch opportunities. Intermediate accuracy is above-average. Misses within the strike zone at times but shows the ability to anticipate passing windows and can fit the ball into tight spots. Deep accuracy is vastly improved from earlier in his career. Shows ability to drop the ball in between defenders. Anticipation on deep throws is above-average. Very good touch and continues to improve his trajectory awareness. Shows the ability to make accurate throws from many different release points"

    Release/Arm Strength 2
    Smooth delivery. Little bit longer than ideal but not a wind-up delivery. Very smooth and relaxed. Ball explodes off his hand. Arm strength is just a notch below NFL-elite. Can make all the throws and is capable of driving the ball down the field with ease. He shows the ability to get great velocity on throws even when forced to short-stride or when he isn't able to drive off back foot. Appears to have smaller-than-ideal hands and struggles at times to grip-and-rip on shorter throws. Does not show great control on pump fakes. Has some balls batted down at the line of scrimmage.

    Pocket Mobility 1
    "Rare athleticism and speed for the position. Will become one of the most dynamic dual-threat QBs in the NFL once he takes over as a starter. Is in the same class as Michael Vick in this department. Shows above-average pocket presence. Initial quickness is outstanding. Few college QBs buy more second-chance passing opportunities. Is comfortable rolling out and throwing to both sides. Foot quickness, elusiveness and burst as a runner are elite. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedyd718 View Post
    Hey Phills1, is there a scouting report for RG3 like this yet? That report is dead on Colt.

    OVERALL FOOTBALL TRAITS

    Production 1 "2008: (12/11) 160 of 267 (59.9 pct.), 2,901 yards, 15 TD, 3 INT. 2009: (3/3) 45 of 69 (65.2), 481 yards, 4 TD, 0 INT. 2010: (13/13) 304 of 454 (67.0), 3,501 yards, 22 TD, 8 INT. 2011: (13/13) 291 of 402 (72.4), 4,293 yards, 37 TD, 6 INT. Career: 528 carries, 2,273 yards (4.3 avg.), 33 TD. "
    Height-Weight-Speed 2 Height is below-average and could present some issues for him as a pocket passer in NFL. Bulk is adequate but he can continue to get bigger and stronger. Possesses elite top-end speed and agility for the position.
    Durability 4 This is one of the biggest areas of concern with Griffin as a top-tier prospect. Suffered a season-ending torn ACL in his right knee during the third game of the 2009 season against Northwestern State. Missed the second half of the 2011 Texas Tech game with what appeared to be concussion-like symptoms.
    Intangibles 1 "A well-rounded individual. Was raised in a military family. Excellent student. Graduated in December 2010 with a degree in political science and has aspirations of attending law school. Is mature and humble. Has great personal discipline. Also has a very good work ethic. Is mentally prepared to handle rigors of being a starting quarterback at the NFL level. Ultra-competitive. Can rub his teammates the wrong way at times, but the same can be said of most elite quarterbacks. Winner of the 2011 Heisman Trophy. Also was a member of the Baylor track team during his true freshman year (2008) and won the Big 12 400-meter hurdles on his way to being named an All-American."
    QUARTERBACK SPECIFIC TRAITS

    Mental Makeup 2 "Baylor's Offense does not translate to the NFL game. Has a lot to learn about identifying coverages and hot reads. Had very simple reads, and there is very little tape of him checking from one side of the field to the other. Lack of ideal height leads to some problems seeing entire field at times. However, is an intelligent and disciplined individual. Has a great work ethic and is capable of digesting a new system quickly. His mobility also gives him more room for error in this department than many other quarterback prospects."
    Accuracy 2 "Short accuracy is still a work in progress. Lacks ideal touch and needs to learn how to take some MPH off his fastball. Is often a bit off-target on underneath throws, which lessens run-after-catch opportunities. Intermediate accuracy is above-average. Misses within the strike zone at times but shows the ability to anticipate passing windows and can fit the ball into tight spots. Deep accuracy is vastly improved from earlier in his career. Shows ability to drop the ball in between defenders. Anticipation on deep throws is above-average. Very good touch and continues to improve his trajectory awareness. Shows the ability to make accurate throws from many different release points"
    Release/Arm Strength 2 Smooth delivery. Little bit longer than ideal but not a wind-up delivery. Very smooth and relaxed. Ball explodes off his hand. Arm strength is just a notch below NFL-elite. Can make all the throws and is capable of driving the ball down the field with ease. He shows the ability to get great velocity on throws even when forced to short-stride or when he isn't able to drive off back foot. Appears to have smaller-than-ideal hands and struggles at times to grip-and-rip on shorter throws. Does not show great control on pump fakes. Has some balls batted down at the line of scrimmage.
    Pocket Mobility 1 "Rare athleticism and speed for the position. Will become one of the most dynamic dual-threat QBs in the NFL once he takes over as a starter. Is in the same class as Michael Vick in this department. Shows above-average pocket presence. Initial quickness is outstanding. Few college QBs buy more second-chance passing opportunities. Is comfortable rolling out and throwing to both sides. Foot quickness, elusiveness and burst as a runner are elite. "
    1 = EXCEPTIONAL
    2 = ABOVE AVERAGE
    3 = AVERAGE
    4 = BELOW AVERAGE
    5 = MARGINAL
    Some of RG3's deficiencies are amendable and are undeveloped because of the Baylor offense. I don't like having small hand size; he is going to be scrambling a bit early in his career and needs to not fumble. Also, his durability issues headline his bust potential. I do like that RG3 is going to be able to keep defenses honest while he develops. Unlike Colt, RG3 will be adequately equipped to extend plays AND get the ball far down field. When Colt leaves the pocket, the box is still collapsed to no more than 10 yards from the line of scrimmage. RG3 is going to have the ability to help his development with his athleticism and as long as he can stay healthy, I'm ready to see what he can bring the Browns.

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    dont know if this was posted or if anyone caught this, but RG3 was on the Dan Patrick Show today and said he has run sub 4.4 forties before, and will run at least under a 4.5 at the combine.


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    I like analyzing the different things that Phills1 and Rap Soda chose to highlight on the scouting report. Obviously I have too much free time at work these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigjmac0815 View Post
    What was Colt McCoy's grade? I went to scout.com and it has McCoy as a 5 star NFL Prospect
    NFL.com had McCoy at 7.5

    Bradford 8.7
    Clausen 8.6
    Tim Tebow 8.0
    Colt McCoy 7.6

    Walter football was pretty harsh on him as well.

    http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2010cmccoy.php

    Colt McCoy is the next overhyped collegiate quarterback who really doesn't have much of a chance in the NFL. He is a late-round talent, and don't let ESPN fool you. His talent is pretty mediocre when you consider the things he will have to do in the NFL in terms of the transition to a more West Coast or pro-style spread scheme. He won't stretch a defense in the NFL and the system makes him look far better than he is at Texas.

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