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    I work in healthcare and when I do orientation for new employees I always tell them if they witness abuse or neglect and don't report it, they are just as guilty as the person committing the abuse.

    About a month ago I saw a nursing assistant throw a cup of water at an Alzheimer's patient who was acting out. I immediately went to the Administrator and reported the abuse. The aide was terminated that day. You don't screw around when there is abuse of any kind.

    While I think Paterno probably did what he thought was right at the time, he did the very bare minimum and then continued to see the offender with little boys and did nothing. He may have been a great coach, but he failed those children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CavsGirl View Post
    I work in healthcare and when I do orientation for new employees I always tell them if they witness abuse or neglect and don't report it, they are just as guilty as the person committing the abuse.

    About a month ago I saw a nursing assistant throw a cup of water at an Alzheimer's patient who was acting out. I immediately went to the Administrator and reported the abuse. The aide was terminated that day. You don't screw around when there is abuse of any kind.

    While I think Paterno probably did what he thought was right at the time, he did the very bare minimum and then continued to see the offender with little boys and did nothing. He may have been a great coach, but he failed those children.
    You witnessed something and reported it. Joe didn't witness and reported it. What if the administrator hadnt taken any action. why didn't you report it to your direct supervisor like Mcleary did.

    Joe did report it. its well documented.

    did you report the assault to the police? if so why not.

    if you hadnt seen it and someone else told you about then you told the administrator would he still have fired the aid on your heresay?

    Whats to prevent the aide from doing that elsewhere

    If you change jobs and that aide is at your new place of employment do you quit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tornicade View Post
    You witnessed something and reported it. Joe didn't witness and reported it. What if the administrator hadnt taken any action. why didn't you report it to your direct supervisor like Mcleary did.

    Joe did report it. its well documented.

    did you report the assault to the police? if so why not.

    if you hadnt seen it and someone else told you about then you told the administrator would he still have fired the aid on your heresay?

    Whats to prevent the aide from doing that elsewhere

    If you change jobs and that aide is at your new place of employment do you quit
    The aide was reported to the state licensing board for abuse and will never be able to work in a long term care facility again, at least not doing patient care.

    If i saw her in a different facility working in a non clinical position I would absolutely let the administration know.

    Yes, if I had heard about it second hand it would have been handled in the same manner. The Administrator, who is my direct boss, would have gone to the person who told me. The aide admitted to it when she was questioned anyway.

    Throwing water at someone is not a crime to be reported to the police, she was reported to the state and will never work in nursing again. Had she punched the patient or put her hands on her she would be facing criminal charges.

    Knowing someone was raping little boys and continuing to see that person with boys is not acceptable. Knowing that someone was raping boys and knowing that nothing was done about it and not following up is not acceptable. I'm sure he was a great man in many ways, that's quite obvious by the outpouring of love for him. He buried his head in the sand on this one though. I don't know how anyone can say otherwise.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tornicade View Post
    If it was my brother I would be wondering why the Man who witnessed it didnt file a policce report. and i probably wouldnt hold the middle man who did what he was supposed to as responsible.

    I would be asking why the atorney general didnt file charges in 99. I would be asking second mile why they didnt shut down their owner and boss when they found out about it. I wold be asking the other two witnessses from another company didnt say anything when the police never came back on the door.


    and i would appreciate Joe paternas cooperation and willingness to cooperate to help convict the slime that covered it all up
    So basically blame everyone involved in the whole thing except Joe Paterno? How about we just call a spade a spade. Joe is not the monster, and there might be a couple who are a a level above his in the child abuse enabling, but his hands aren't clean. As others have said, in some cases failure to make sure an investigation is launched after a report means immediate termination. There's actually something pathetic that he literally just did what was required for him not to be responsible. You used the age excuse earlier, but if you actually consider his feuds with the bot, failure to monitor and test his health to not raise questions, and indifference in this scandal you mostly get the picture of a very old man doing whatever it takes to keep his lifestyle running. Also somewhat pathetic.

    I'm not going to argue over whether or not it's fair that Joepa is getting this much coverage because the argument is over the top in being purposively naive and ignorant to how the world works. Do you know why Thomas Jefferson is the most famous slave fucker in history? Because he's Thomas Freaking Jefferson. This stuff happens a lot, and it usually isn't even a blurb in the news. The thing is is that it usually doesn't involve Penn State administrators, coaches and JOE FREAKING PATERNO.

    It's sad that he passed, it's sad when anybody (unless it's someone like sandusky) does for any reason. He's an 85 year old man, and obviously a coaching legend so it's going to be appropiately very much discussed. But if you're going to say anything other than "RIP great college football coach" you can't leave out the scandal. If you want to call the death of an 85 year old man a tragedy because of his very classy image, great graduation rates, the "grand experiment", and dedication and charity work to his community just don't leave out his role in the Sandusky scandal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgm405 View Post
    But he did...he reported it, which is the action public education employees are instructed to make in that situation.
    I'm sorry, but this is absolute B.S

    Yes, he "did what he was required to do"

    But if this isn't the point to go above & beyond and make sure the proper authorities knew about it, then when is that time?

    If somebody comes up to me & says one of my basketball players or softball players was raped by a fellow coach, I'll be damned if I don't tell both the higher ups in the school and the fucking cops.

    He didn't have to go & say "I know of a rape that happened". He could have very easily said "I got word that a child was raped. I don't know if it's completely true or not, but I thought you should maybe look into it. Here's what I was told..."

    Not that difficult. Something this serious isn't something to fuck around with. You fucking make sure no boys are getting raped.
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    Don't bother arguing with Tornicade. He clearly doesn't understand basic human decency.

    Oh, the irony... dude isn't even cold yet and there are people on their high horse in here saying he deserves to rot, that's human decency at its finest...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus View Post
    Oh, the irony... dude isn't even cold yet and there are people on their high horse in here saying he deserves to rot, that's human decency at its finest...
    I don't think he deserves to rot, I'm sure he was a sweet old grandpa of a man. Again, he was obviously a very loved man by those who knew him.

    However, the irony to me is that just 2 months ago the majority of the country was saying horrible things about him and now they are grieving his death as if it were their own family member.

    Let's face it, it's sad when anyone dies (well not Bin Laden or such) but none of us knew him, we only know what is portrayed of him. Sadly his passing is so close to the scandal that his other good deeds are overshadowed.

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    An 85 year old man that was more or less okay with child rape being buried under the school books died. Why is it such an uproar if people don't give a shit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tornicade View Post
    If it was my brother I would be wondering why the Man who witnessed it didnt file a policce report. and i probably wouldnt hold the middle man who did what he was supposed to as responsible.

    I would be asking why the atorney general didnt file charges in 99. I would be asking second mile why they didnt shut down their owner and boss when they found out about it. I wold be asking the other two witnessses from another company didnt say anything when the police never came back on the door.


    and i would appreciate Joe paternas cooperation and willingness to cooperate to help convict the slime that covered it all up
    Where in my post did I say that any of those other guys are any better than Paterno? I didn't.

    It's funny how you're so quick to blame the other guys, but not all the parties involved.

    Quote Originally Posted by cafemerald View Post
    I honestly believe that JoePa's coaching legacy is why the finger is pointed at him.

    If this happened at any other college with any other Joe Schmo I don't think the coach would have been fired. This has little to do with the coach it self as Tornicade pointed out above.

    The reason everyone latched onto JoePa is because he is the face of the university. You think Penn State, you think Joe Pa. Fair or unfair JoePa had to answer for these "crimes" he committed. Sandusky had much less of a media following than JoePa did during that time. That is sick and embarrassing to me as an American.

    You insinuate that if JoePa didn't have his coaching legacy I would feel less sympathy for him? I am arguing that if he didn't have his coaching legacy, he wouldn't have been touched. A few questions here and there, and then the media goes towards the real problem... Those who investigated this and swept it under the rug. For instance, the Attorney fucking General.
    You're talking media coverage. I'm asking how regular, non-media people would feel if this was just an ordinary coach or an ordinary joe on T.V. I see people defending this guy left & right, but if he didn't have the coaching legacy, how would those people feel? I bet they wouldn't be defending ordinary Joe Schmo like this. I can guarantee, at the very least, that the majority of those people would look on in absolute disgust that the proper authorities weren't informed and that the guy didn't do what it took to make sure no more kids were going to get raped.

    Just because the guy was a legendary coach does not mean he should be set at a different standard or looked at differently when he does something wrong.

    This goes so far & beyond what "he was supposed to do" that it's not even funny.

    We're not talking about theft here, we're not talking about hearing 2nd hand about an underage student drinking.. we're talking about fucking rape people. 100 times out of 100, you fucking make sure that either it's not true or that no other kids get raped.

    I understand the guy passed on, and I sympathize with his wife, his kids, and his family for their loss. However, that don't make what he did (or what he didn't do, I should so) any less wrong.

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    Cancer is no joke. And I always have a spot in my heart for those who go through chemo (being someone who had to go through it not even 7 months ago). And Paterno did a lot of good during his time he owned State College.

    That said, I think it's alarming that some posters aren't putting things in perspective. Children. Were. Anally. Raped. And Joepa did the absolute bare minimum, mainly to absolve himself of legal blame. It was disgusting on so many levels.

    Do those who feel terrible for JoePa feel terrible for the children? Cause if so, you are contrdicting yourself. It would be like PETA coming out and saying - Yea, it was a shame what happened to those jews, but Hitler was a dog lover.

    Did they fire him properly? Probably not. But part of me says who gives a shit, he didn't deserve a knight's death.

    So yea, RIP JoePa. I feel for your family (even though I find it imfuckingpossible that his kids/wife/etc had zero knowledge of what happened). You did a lot of great, but your one bad makes it impossible for me to feel too awful about the karma

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damage View Post
    Cancer is no joke. And I always have a spot in my heart for those who go through chemo (being someone who had to go through it not even 7 months ago). And Paterno did a lot of good during his time he owned State College.

    That said, I think it's alarming that some posters aren't putting things in perspective. Children. Were. Anally. Raped. And Joepa did the absolute bare minimum, mainly to absolve himself of legal blame. It was disgusting on so many levels.

    Do those who feel terrible for JoePa feel terrible for the children? Cause if so, you are contrdicting yourself. It would be like PETA coming out and saying - Yea, it was a shame what happened to those jews, but Hitler was a dog lover.

    Did they fire him properly? Probably not. But part of me says who gives a shit, he didn't deserve a knight's death.

    So yea, RIP JoePa. I feel for your family (even though I find it imfuckingpossible that his kids/wife/etc had zero knowledge of what happened). You did a lot of great, but your one bad makes it impossible for me to feel too awful about the karma
    Honestly could not have said it any better myself.

    It's not like we're talking about hearing about some 19/20 year old kids drinking til their blue in the face or about some student who cheated on his final exam here.

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    Fuck Joe Paterno and the horse he rode in on... He's got a lot to answer for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damage View Post
    Cancer is no joke. And I always have a spot in my heart for those who go through chemo (being someone who had to go through it not even 7 months ago). And Paterno did a lot of good during his time he owned State College.

    That said, I think it's alarming that some posters aren't putting things in perspective. Children. Were. Anally. Raped. And Joepa did the absolute bare minimum, mainly to absolve himself of legal blame. It was disgusting on so many levels.

    Do those who feel terrible for JoePa feel terrible for the children? Cause if so, you are contrdicting yourself. It would be like PETA coming out and saying - Yea, it was a shame what happened to those jews, but Hitler was a dog lover.

    Did they fire him properly? Probably not. But part of me says who gives a shit, he didn't deserve a knight's death.

    So yea, RIP JoePa. I feel for your family (even though I find it imfuckingpossible that his kids/wife/etc had zero knowledge of what happened). You did a lot of great, but your one bad makes it impossible for me to feel too awful about the karma
    While I agree that he seemed to do the bare minimum I don't believe he (or most people in that situation) would base their actions on their legal culpability. I honestly believe at the time he thought he was handling it the right way. Was it the right way? Probably not, but I do think he thought he was doing what he should have done.

    And I really don't see it as impossible or even improbable that none of his other relatives had any knowledge. Doesn't mean they didn't have knowledge, just saying I could easily see them not.
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    If you know someone is raping somebody else and all you do is "report them to the people above you at your workplace," and then they do nothing about it and you STILL continue to work with this rapist every single day knowing he did what he did and you just completely ignore it and never bring it up again or do anything about it..... Wow. Grow a pair. Anyone that could possibly do this and live with themselves is a piece of shit. If you can honestly convince yourself that you "did what you had to do" by simply reporting it to your boss who never did shit about it..... Wow. I don't even know what I can say to really tell you just how big of a piece of shit you are. WTF is wrong with some people?

    Put yourself in a scenario and imagine if something like this happened to someone you know.

    Let's say your daughter/sister is getting raped in her workplace. One of your buddies works there with your daughter/sister and knows about it. Your buddy tells his boss about it because that is what he is "supposed to do." His boss never does shit about it and your buddy never brings it up again even though he knows what happened and your daughter/sister continues to work at the same place as this rapist.

    It comes out 10 years later what had been happening and you finally find out about it. You see your buddy for the first time since you find out what happened. What is your reaction?

    Is it Option A..... "You did what you had to do. It's cool man. I wouldn't expect you to put your job on the line for her."

    Or is it Option B..... "You're a dead man."

    If you chose option A, just kill yourself now because you are a detriment to mankind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimme Some Mo View Post
    If you know someone is raping somebody else and all you do is "report them to the people above you at your workplace," and then they do nothing about it and you STILL continue to work with this rapist every single day knowing he did what he did and you just completely ignore it and never bring it up again or do anything about it..... Wow. Grow a pair. Anyone that could possibly do this and live with themselves is a piece of shit. If you can honestly convince yourself that you "did what you had to do" by simply reporting it to your boss who never did shit about it..... Wow. I don't even know what I can say to really tell you just how big of a piece of shit you are. WTF is wrong with some people?

    Put yourself in a scenario and imagine if something like this happened to someone you know.

    Let's say your daughter/sister is getting raped in her workplace. One of your buddies works there with your daughter/sister and knows about it. Your buddy tells his boss about it because that is what he is "supposed to do." His boss never does shit about it and your buddy never brings it up again even though he knows what happened and your daughter/sister continues to work at the same place as this rapist.

    It comes out 10 years later what had been happening and you finally find out about it. You see your buddy for the first time since you find out what happened. What is your reaction?

    Is it Option A..... "You did what you had to do. It's cool man. I wouldn't expect you to put your job on the line for her."

    Or is it Option B..... "You're a dead man."

    If you chose option A, just kill yourself now because you are a detriment to mankind.

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    Sports aren't bigger than the lives of innocent children. I used to really respect Joe Pa. It was even kinda cool when he shit his pants. But rape isn't cool

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