Trayvon Martin 911 Call From Neighbors and Zimmerman (Audio)

[cafemerald]

Sounds like he says "fucking punks" to me.

[Noonan]

Whether he said punk or coon it doesn't really matter.

He followed while armed with a gun because the kid was young and black. The racism involved is obvious.

[cafemerald]

Whether he said punk or coon it doesn't really matter.

He followed while armed with a gun because the kid was young and black. The racism involved is obvious.

I don't disagree with anything you said here.

He was obviously biased and profiling. Whether it was because the victim was black or a youth, or both makes no difference. He decided he would take some vigilante justice against an innocent.

In this guys mind the kid was not innocent until proven guilty. Instead he was guilty. It's disgusting.

[Tlyons]

Whether he said punk or coon it doesn't really matter.

He followed while armed with a gun because the kid was young and black. The racism involved is obvious.

You're right but having audio of him clearly saying it would help the prosecution tremendously.

[Lee]

Whether he said punk or coon it doesn't really matter.

He followed while armed with a gun because the kid was young and black. The racism involved is obvious.

Obvious and proveable in court are too different things and make the difference between manslaughter and a murder charge.

[Richard Dawkins]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...e_trayvon.html

"Obama: "If I Had A Son, He'd Look Like Trayvon""

I liked this comment:

Let me preface this with the fact that I am a middle aged, gun owning, conservative white male.

This is a case where simple law is adequate.

Mr Zimmerman while acting as a "Neighborhood Watch" called a police dispatcher to report a suspisious person. At that time he was advised that police were on the way, and when he told the police dispatcher he was following the individual he had called about, he was advised not to do so.

At that point, Mr Zimmerman lost all potential of a "stand your ground" defense. He was acting in direct defiance to advice from law enforcement. He pursued young Trevon, initiated a confrontation with Trevon, and ultimately shot and killed him. When the poice arrived they found a young man dead, "armed" with an iced tea and a package of candy. He had been on the phone with a friend at the time of the shooting, telling her he was being chased by a stranger, and was in fear.

This was not self defense. Neither Mr Zimmerman or any other person were threatened by Trevon. Mr Zimmerman threatened Trevon. Then killed him. Mr Zimmerman followed Trevon with the intent to "apprehend" him. Trevon was violating no law, and was a guest of a resident of the community. The "stand your ground" defense does not apply in a situation where the shooter sought a confrontation. This is murder.

[Doc Shakalou]

No, murder is a different intent. At the end of the day what Zimmerman did was manslaughter. He didnt set out that day to kill the kid. Its one of the most misused legal terms. The only way it would be murder if the defense could prove his intent was to shoot him in cold blood or Zimmerman was in the act of committing a felony (beyond the killing, ie robbing a liquor store, this is known as felony murder). I doubt there is even a murder charge. The 911 tape proves his intent, the fact he was on watch proves his intent, the fact he followed to see what he was up to proves his intent.

Think of it this way. If you kill a guy drinking and driving, you are charged with a form of manslaughter. Your stupid act of getting behind the wheel might have been premeditated, (ie having a gun when you are a voluntary neighborhood watch) , but your intent wasnt to kill someone.

I wish the asshat could be charged with murder, but it would be overcharging him and if the manslaughter charge isnt on the table, the jury would be forced to acquit. (although the judge would most likely throw out the murder charge before the trial even began)

Intent is the key, but manslaughter usually refers to a killing that was accidental. It's also used a a plead bargain sentence down from murder. There are different levels of murder though, muder 1 requires pre-meditation and planning. Following someone with a gun and shooting them isn't likely going to be considered manslaughter. I don't see how you can call it an accidental shooting, if anything this should be a hate crime. He racially profiled a black kid, followed him, then shot him dead because he assumed he was guilty of something.

[RappSoda]

The fact that this Zimmerman character isn't cuffed and in prison already is so far beyond me.

Kids go to stores and buy snacks all over the country, Trayvon seems like he was doing what any normal kid would do. The danger here is the overzealous gun touting resident who could live on any street in any neighborhood. I hope the law doesn't get in the way of the right thing to do here.

[Noonan]

So I guess we know who Asshole of the Week honors goes to.

Geraldo: ‘The hoodie is as much responsible for Trayvon Martin’s death as George Zimmerman was’


Also, props to LeBron for organizing this. Finally showing an interest in something beyond himself.

@SportsGrid: Photo: The Miami Heat Wear Hoodies To Protest The Killing Of Trayvon Martin http://bit.ly/GIZxaI

[DCunleaded]

I know there are a few other guys on this board who live in Orlando/Central FLA, so they know how crazy it's been the past few years with high-profile criminal cases (Trayvon, Kaylee and Casey Anthony, etc). Orlando has turned into a nonstop Theater of the Absurd. This is just such a horrible horrible bunch of occurrences, that I couldn't come up with in my craziest thoughts!

Pretty sure the next step is to move the protests from Sanford (where the shooting took place), to the metropolitan Orlando area; especially with the case gaining more national attention.

[JiggleIt]

The protests were on my bball court btw. I'm out of town at the moment, but I'm usually there 2-3 times a week. Crazy.

Orlando sucks and Florida in general

[Doc Shakalou]

The protests were on my bball court btw. I'm out of town at the moment, but I'm usually there 2-3 times a week. Crazy.

Orlando sucks and Florida in general

Well I mean, when your economy is based around a theme park you have some problems.

[Maximus]

This should help things...

[Walter White]

Ya I'm 99 percent sure he said "punks", but it doesn't matter or change the fact that what he did was completely uncalled for.

[Sez]

There is no justice.