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    Quote Originally Posted by RchfldCavRaised View Post
    To put into comparison, how stacked the 2012 draft is with PFs...

    I would trade Tristan Thompson, and the Sac first for the chance to draft Thomas Robinson if he is still there after our pick.

    I would offer the same package for Cody OR Tyler Zeller. Whatever pick they are available. 6-15.

    You just DONT do what the Cavs did on draft night. Not if you had already done your homework on TT and realized that 5-7 of the top PF prospects in this draft were going to go ahead of him if he had returned to school and tried to come out this year.

    He and Corey Joseph got out while they could "possibly" be late lottery and late first rounders, respectively. And only the guy who had a part in drafting Shelden Williams with the 5th overall pick, would reach like that on him twice.
    That's what worries me. As much as I like Tristan, Grant is putting so much hope into Tristan's potential and at #4 in a draft that's not something you should do unless he is 7 feet tall. Jonas was right there for the taking and he passed. Grants got to prove to me he can evaluate talent especially through the draft. He can not screw this up. We can't draft Sheldon Williams' and Marvin Williams' so high in the draft.

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    Yeah, let's stay away from those types of names...

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    holy shit Chris Grant is 6'10 lol didnt know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RchfldCavRaised View Post
    To put into comparison, how stacked the 2012 draft is with PFs...

    I would trade Tristan Thompson, and the Sac first for the chance to draft Thomas Robinson if he is still there after our pick.

    I would offer the same package for Cody OR Tyler Zeller. Whatever pick they are available. 6-15.

    You just DONT do what the Cavs did on draft night. Not if you had already done your homework on TT and realized that 5-7 of the top PF prospects in this draft were going to go ahead of him if he had returned to school and tried to come out this year.

    He and Corey Joseph got out while they could "possibly" be late lottery and late first rounders, respectively. And only the guy who had a part in drafting Shelden Williams with the 5th overall pick, would reach like that on him twice.

    (Goes back to rubbing a treasure troll, hoping David Stern will deliver a top 3-5 pick for us)
    shelden was drafted in 06, Chris Grant came to Cleveland in 05.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RchfldCavRaised View Post
    To put into comparison, how stacked the 2012 draft is with PFs...

    I would trade Tristan Thompson, and the Sac first for the chance to draft Thomas Robinson if he is still there after our pick.

    I would offer the same package for Cody OR Tyler Zeller. Whatever pick they are available. 6-15.

    You just DONT do what the Cavs did on draft night. Not if you had already done your homework on TT and realized that 5-7 of the top PF prospects in this draft were going to go ahead of him if he had returned to school and tried to come out this year.

    He and Corey Joseph got out while they could "possibly" be late lottery and late first rounders, respectively. And only the guy who had a part in drafting Shelden Williams with the 5th overall pick, would reach like that on him twice.

    (Goes back to rubbing a treasure troll, hoping David Stern will deliver a top 3-5 pick for us)
    Other than Davis and Drummond I dont think you can say for certain they knew any of them would have gone ahead of him. Certainly not Robinson.

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    Grrrr... wish we would've used that 2nd round pick on C Parsons like I was hoping, it was partially a UF bias on my part I won't lie, but geeze he has really done well for Houston. Good length and athleticism, good range, and a very good passer - led UF in assists last year. Been impressed with his transition to the big leagues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CavsinFL View Post
    Grrrr... wish we would've used that 2nd round pick on C Parsons like I was hoping, it was partially a UF bias on my part I won't lie, but geeze he has really done well for Houston. Good length and athleticism, good range, and a very good passer - led UF in assists last year. Been impressed with his transition to the big leagues.
    The guy reminds me of Hedo Turkoglu. If he improves his shot and FT%, I could see him having a similar career to Hedo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triumph36 View Post
    Kyrie goes 2nd assuming he were able to stay healthy that second year.

    Thompson goes somewhere in the late lottery (10-14ish)

    edit: misread. with the injury kyrie still likely goes 2nd tho.

    it's really not "revisionist history."

    i wasn't referring to quality of the trade. i was simply stating the spurs pretty much always crush their draft picks no matter where they are picking.
    This is hyperbole then. Spurs haven't really crushed a draft pick in almost 10 years and when they have--they traded it for something worse. They drafted Cory Joseph this past draft and passed on Charles Jenkins and Isaiah Thomas. The year before they picked James Anderson, when they could have had Landry Fields or Jordan Crawford.

    The year before that, they selected DeJuan Blair-- a guy that was very obviously talented, but had knee concerns. The jury is still out on this pick because the Spurs traded their own 2nd rounder for that pick (Goran Dragic--one of the best young backup PGs out there-- a guy that they gave up on too soon because of George Hill--who is so good that he plays on another team) and we have no idea how long Dejuan will stay healthy in the league.

    The aforementioned George Hill was drafted in 08. A good pick but not as good as the subsequent Timberwolves, Clippers, and Bulls picks (Pekovic, Jordan, and Asik--all talented big men that are still with their original teams. Spurs could have had much bigger trade chips/players than George Hill).

    In 2007, it was a Tiago Splitter draft and stash. An oft-injured offensive bigman who projects as a backup in the nba. Not a bad pick by any means, but a luxury pick that a team like the Spurs could afford coming off of a NBA championship. He entered in the NBA last year as a 26 year old rookie, which furthers along the low-ceiling, high floor guys that a team with an established core and a closing window can take shots on. For arguments sake, Carl Landry, Glen Davis, and Marc Gasol were all selected after this--Gasol and Davis were selected after the Spurs 2nd pick in this draft, the wonderful Marcus Williams.

    In 2006, they didn't really have draft picks (swung and missed on the very late one they had on Damir Markota.) In 2005, it was Ian Mahinmi. Who was cut and has turned into an okay role player for Dallas five years later.

    In 04, it was Beno Udrih --career journeyman and the ultimate one way player. Moving along..

    The 03 pick was Leandro Barbosa, who was actually selected by the Suns. Spurs traded this pick for the pick that turned into David Lee in 05. Which was insanely lucky--for NY. Lee's pick turned into basically Nazr Mohammed. Can't fault them for this too much as Nazr was a big role player for them during their championship run.

    In 02, they drafted John Salmons and Luis Scola. Scola was traded for peanuts to the rockets, Salmons was traded for to the 76rs for Speedy Claxton. Neither played for the spurs.

    Tony Parker and Manu Ginobli were drafted in 2001 and 1999, when teams didn't scour Europe the way they do now. And ever since, the Spurs front office has been given more credit than they deserve, especially when they havn't been as effective in a decade

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gil-lionaire View Post
    This is hyperbole then. Spurs haven't really crushed a draft pick in almost 10 years and when they have--they traded it for something worse. They drafted Cory Joseph this past draft and passed on Charles Jenkins and Isaiah Thomas. The year before they picked James Anderson, when they could have had Landry Fields or Jordan Crawford.

    The year before that, they selected DeJuan Blair-- a guy that was very obviously talented, but had knee concerns. The jury is still out on this pick because the Spurs traded their own 2nd rounder for that pick (Goran Dragic--one of the best young backup PGs out there-- a guy that they gave up on too soon because of George Hill--who is so good that he plays on another team) and we have no idea how long Dejuan will stay healthy in the league.

    The aforementioned George Hill was drafted in 08. A good pick but not as good as the subsequent Timberwolves, Clippers, and Bulls picks (Pekovic, Jordan, and Asik--all talented big men that are still with their original teams. Spurs could have had much bigger trade chips/players than George Hill).

    In 2007, it was a Tiago Splitter draft and stash. An oft-injured offensive bigman who projects as a backup in the nba. Not a bad pick by any means, but a luxury pick that a team like the Spurs could afford coming off of a NBA championship. He entered in the NBA last year as a 26 year old rookie, which furthers along the low-ceiling, high floor guys that a team with an established core and a closing window can take shots on. For arguments sake, Carl Landry, Glen Davis, and Marc Gasol were all selected after this--Gasol and Davis were selected after the Spurs 2nd pick in this draft, the wonderful Marcus Williams.

    In 2006, they didn't really have draft picks (swung and missed on the very late one they had on Damir Markota.) In 2005, it was Ian Mahinmi. Who was cut and has turned into an okay role player for Dallas five years later.

    In 04, it was Beno Udrih --career journeyman and the ultimate one way player. Moving along..

    The 03 pick was Leandro Barbosa, who was actually selected by the Suns. Spurs traded this pick for the pick that turned into David Lee in 05. Which was insanely lucky--for NY. Lee's pick turned into basically Nazr Mohammed. Can't fault them for this too much as Nazr was a big role player for them during their championship run.

    In 02, they drafted John Salmons and Luis Scola. Scola was traded for peanuts to the rockets, Salmons was traded for to the 76rs for Speedy Claxton. Neither played for the spurs.

    Tony Parker and Manu Ginobli were drafted in 2001 and 1999, when teams didn't scour Europe the way they do now. And ever since, the Spurs front office has been given more credit than they deserve, especially when they havn't been as effective in a decade
    What you just did can be done with any team that didn't have Red Auerbach making the personnel moves. Any one can pass on a slightly better player with hindsight being all 20s.

    Are you talking about the team that has been a top 3 team this season specifically because of their depth? The team that has been consistently contending since the late 80s? That team?
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    Plus most of those picks were good even though they traded them away. People used to talk about Splitter like he was the next Dirk or Pau. Everyone used to want to trade for his rights

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randolphkeys View Post
    What you just did can be done with any team that didn't have Red Auerbach making the personnel moves. Any one can pass on a slightly better player with hindsight being all 20s.

    Are you talking about the team that has been a top 3 team this season specifically because of their depth? The team that has been consistently contending since the late 80s? That team?
    Regarding the Spurs depth, look at the roster. Most of their rotation depth are free agents or veterans acquired through trade. Blair and Splitter are the only two draft picks contributing from this decade. That really my point to all this. The Spurs are incorrectly regarded as a team that hits on late rounders based on what they did almost ten years ago. Its like Moneyball. It only works until everyone else catches on. The Spurs are credited the same way that Golden Gloves in baseball are handed out: reputation. Splitter used to be talked like he was Dirk or Pau because he had a good following overseas and the Spurs picked him. Guess what? He's not Dirk or Pau!

    As for the cherry-picking, I realize that every team can look bad when someone cherry picks players picked behind them. However, swinging and missing in the first round when others are "crushing" draft picks in the 2nd round looks bad. Besides, how else can you judge a draft pick without using hindsight? A crystal ball?

    I'm not saying the Spurs are a bad team. They have had a very solid core for nearly ten years and have shuffled the roleplayers around those players through free agency and trades; the rotation didn't have its genesis in the draft.

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