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    Quote Originally Posted by Splitz View Post
    I really don't feel that Bynum fits the mold of the type of player that Grant is looking for or building this team with. He just seems to play when he feels like it rather than all the time. I feel the same way about him as I do with Dwight. On the right team with the appropriate amount of talent, they can be Championship quality but I don't think that either of them really possess the type of will to win that can lead a team to that level. He's a legitimate big man talent which is hard to find but I'd rather just stay the course to be honest. We may be in the dumps another season or two because of it but I don't see him staying healthy and I don't like his attitude thus far in his career.
    I think bynums motivation issues are caused by his environment. Watching Bynum closely it is easy to see why he gets frustrated. To get in perfect position19 out of 20 times only to have Kobe throw up an off balanced jumper with a hand in his face has to be frustrating and make you wonder what is the point. With my running that team the problem will only be exacerbated.

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    Default Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

    You would think Terry Pluto would at least read the Coon FAQ if not the actual CBA before writing an article about it. An extension with a trade only adds two years, not three.

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    Not sure if its been posted but it looks like Chicago is not going to match asiks offer

    http://pippenainteasy.com/2012/07/22...nt-be-matched/

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    Quote Originally Posted by KI4MVP View Post
    You would think Terry Pluto would at least read the Coon FAQ if not the actual CBA before writing an article about it. An extension with a trade only adds two years, not three.
    His wording was fuzzy enough to not preclude that. If Bynum signed an extension after being traded to the Cavs we would have him locked up for the next 3 seasons.

    Anyway, the value of the extra year is a bit nebulous if the player in question has a good shot at staying healthy enough to sign another max deal. And the tradeoffs in risk are numerous:

    What if he suffers a career ending injury this season?
    What's the optimal age for him to sign his last max deal?

    The year to year raises are potentially a bigger deal, because assuming he can keep inking max deals, they're what will limit what he ultimately gets paid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbedward View Post
    Not sure if its been posted but it looks like Chicago is not going to match asiks offer

    Nazr Mohammed Chooses Bulls over Nets; Asik Match Unlikely from Bulls
    What does this mean for the Dwightmare?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuanuLaw View Post
    What does this mean for the Dwightmare?
    Lessens the chance for the Rockets to do something stupid for a one year Dwight rental.

    Asik at the price is not an asset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuggles View Post
    Lessens the chance for the Rockets to do something stupid for a one year Dwight rental.

    Asik at the price is not an asset.

    It changes nothing in terms of us (Rockets) going after Dwight. Morey took into account both RFA signings and Amnesty'd Scola accordingly.

    Dwight will not be 100% to start the season after back surgery so we needed a capable starter regardless. and you said Asik at $8 million per (which is his cap hold) isn't an asset? The Bucks traded us a a pick swap for Dalembert who made $9 million last year and this year. Centers are a premium position thus landing that idiot McGee 11 million per and DeAndre Jordan $10 million.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeko_Htown View Post
    It changes nothing in terms of us (Rockets) going after Dwight. Morey took into account both RFA signings and Amnesty'd Scola accordingly.

    Dwight will not be 100% to start the season after back surgery so we needed a capable starter regardless. and you said Asik at $8 million per (which is his cap hold) isn't an asset? The Bucks traded us a a pick swap for Dalembert who made $9 million last year and this year. Centers are a premium position thus landing that idiot McGee 11 million per and DeAndre Jordan $10 million.
    Centers -even high end backup centers- are expensive in the NBA market. I've been saying it for years. I was especially vocal after Zeller was drafted. Some Cavs fans were complaining that the Cavs used three picks on one fringe starter/backup center. I then said to look at the team payrolls around the league. While the Cavs will be paying Zeller around 2 million a season, plenty of teams are going to be paying their backup center over 7 million a season.

    One other thing, Rico... when you are on another team's fan message board, you aren't supposed to use "we" to talk about your favorite team. It's bad sports fan etiquette.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeko_Htown View Post
    It changes nothing in terms of us (Rockets) going after Dwight. Morey took into account both RFA signings and Amnesty'd Scola accordingly.

    Dwight will not be 100% to start the season after back surgery so we needed a capable starter regardless. and you said Asik at $8 million per (which is his cap hold) isn't an asset? The Bucks traded us a a pick swap for Dalembert who made $9 million last year and this year. Centers are a premium position thus landing that idiot McGee 11 million per and DeAndre Jordan $10 million.
    So what does it say that the Bulls would rather have Nazr Muhammad?

    If a team really wanted Asik, they would've offered a deal. Now they are going to give up a 1st rounder for a guy they could've signed for 9 mil? I don't see how he is much of a game changer in the DH part of the equation. If he turns out to be a productive player with starters minutes, then maybe you got a nice deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randolphkeys View Post
    Centers -even high end backup centers- are expensive in the NBA market. I've been saying it for years. I was especially vocal after Zeller was drafted. Some Cavs fans were complaining that the Cavs used three picks on one fringe starter/backup center. I then said to look at the team payrolls around the league. While the Cavs will be paying Zeller around 2 million a season, plenty of teams are going to be paying their backup center over 7 million a season.

    One other thing, Rico... when you are on another team's fan message board, you aren't supposed to use "we" to talk about your favorite team. It's bad sports fan etiquette.

    Forgive me. I just wanted to clarify because when I posted earlier last week some were confused on wether or not I was a Cavaliers fan or a Rockets fan. I like your team and follow them closely on League pass the last two seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeko_Htown View Post
    Forgive me. I just wanted to clarify because when I posted earlier last week some were confused on wether or not I was a Cavaliers fan or a Rockets fan. I like your team and follow them closely on League pass the last two seasons.
    No big deal, I just wanted to clarify. If you start throwing around lots of "we"s, people won't know if you are talking about the Rockets or Cavs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by col63onel View Post
    So what does it say that the Bulls would rather have Nazr Muhammad?

    If a team really wanted Asik, they would've offered a deal. Now they are going to give up a 1st rounder for a guy they could've signed for 9 mil? I don't see how he is much of a game changer in the DH part of the equation. If he turns out to be a productive player with starters minutes, then maybe you got a nice deal.
    the poison pill $15 million 3rd year really kills teams in the Luxury tax. The bulls would be paying $20 million + in tax by keeping He, Boozer and Noah together in 3 years. If the Rockets didn't include the back loaded year I'm 100% sure they would match Asik's deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeko_Htown View Post
    the poison pill $15 million 3rd year really kills teams in the Luxury tax. The bulls would be paying $20 million + in tax by keeping He, Boozer and Noah together in 3 years. If the Rockets didn't include the back loaded year I'm 100% sure they would match Asik's deal.
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    I think the cavs were being used as leverage to get Houston to up the anti. I don't think Houston will get Howard but I think they replace us in this three team deal and end up with Bynum.

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    One other question for Rico, if you are still reading...

    I have a theory that Dallas gift wrapped Tyler Zeller to the Cavs just to screw over the Rockets. Think about it, everyone knew that Houston thought highly of Zeller, and he was likely going to Houston at pick 12, then they grab Lamb. Everyone thinks, okay Lamb could have been drafted higher than 12, so whatever. Then pick #16 rolls around, and Houston unexpectedly takes White. At this point, they are sitting there with the 18th pick and the player they liked all along is ripe for the taking with Houston's last pick. Then suddenly, The Mavs screw Houston over by taking Zeller just to trade him to Cleveland for the pu pu platter.

    Are Houston fans talking about that Dallas trade at all?
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