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    Default Re: 2013 Mike Miller Thriller - Amnestied , Cavs interested ???

    I'm not one to usually bring friendships or whatever into roster decisions, but signing Miller and waiving Miles would be hugely stupid.

    Kyrie and CJ are pretty close from what you see on Twitter. I think he's one of the better locker room guys. And honestly, he's worth more as a player than Miller right now. Replacing Miles for Miller would be idiotic on a few fronts. I really hope we don't go that route.

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    Default Re: 2013 Mike Miller Thriller - Amnestied , Cavs interested ???

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrich91 View Post
    I'm not one to usually bring friendships or whatever into roster decisions, but signing Miller and waiving Miles would be hugely stupid.

    Kyrie and CJ are pretty close from what you see on Twitter. I think he's one of the better locker room guys. And honestly, he's worth more as a player than Miller right now. Replacing Miles for Miller would be idiotic on a few fronts. I really hope we don't go that route.
    I dont think Miles gets waived. Cavs can sign miller using cap space and use the room exception for bynum signing. then cut quinn and add delladove with the rookie min

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    Default Re: 2013 Mike Miller Thriller - Amnestied , Cavs interested ???

    I'd welcome Mike Miller with open arms BUT not if it means waiving CJ Miles. As many folks have said, at this stage of their respective careers, CJ is the better basketball player.

    Perhaps Gee will be on the move? I see this potential signing like the Bulls adding a player like Dunleavy Jr. You can never have enough shooters.
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    Default Re: 2013 Mike Miller Thriller - Amnestied , Cavs interested ???

    To me, CJ Miles is much higher upside than Mike Miller. He's just now entering his prime, he can legitimately guard two positions on defense, and he put up a career best 15.4 PER on offense last year. If he ever accepts the the roleplayer mentality, he could be a very good roleplayer.
    Who am I to hold a grudge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tornicade View Post
    I dont think Miles gets waived. Cavs can sign miller using cap space and use the room exception for bynum signing. then cut quinn and add delladove with the rookie min
    Huh? The room exception isn't even close to what we agreed with for Bynum.

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    Default Re: 2013 Mike Miller Safari

    Quote Originally Posted by ajz20 View Post
    I dont think Miller is Safari worthy guys! Perhaps 4 years ago, but Safari's are reserved for big name guys. I would like to save our SAFARI MOMENTUM we got last week for next summer. I dont want to go into the Lebron Safari on a losing streak.
    More like a Mike Miller grave dig at this point.

    Regardless, I'd be fine with this move. Miller isn't going to be taking legitimate minutes away from anyone because he can barely shoot a jumper without cringing in pain. He'd be a glorified cheerleader and veteran locker room presence. That's not a bad deal for the 15th guy on your roster.

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    Default Re: 2013 Mike Miller Thriller - Amnestied , Cavs interested ???

    He's a shooter. They need shooters. If he can play physically (this is a big ass if), he brings value on a one year contract.

    No big issues with bringing him in. Just ensure there are no effects for next year.

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    Is there a requirement that to be on this team, you either had surgery, need surgery, or are recovering from surgery?

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    Default Re: 2013 Mike Miller Thriller - Amnestied , Cavs interested ???

    Quote Originally Posted by sailfish View Post
    I sure hope not. At this stage of their careers, CJ Miles is way more athletic than a broken down Mike Miller. CJ's the better player overall and can become just as good of a shooter, in time. I really hope they don't claim Miller, as it seems like a waste of money.
    CJ Mile is not going to be part of the core either. I don't think the choice comes down to who is going to be part of the core. I think it comes down to who is going to be a better team player and mentor, and I think that's where Mike Miller might have an edge with the decision makers.

    Personally I'm not all that excited here either way. It's not going to make or break the team one way or another. Miles has a future and his contract is tradeable. Miller probably makes the team better, even though he's not as good of a player himself. It's not that important. What's important? I want Waiters to show Tristan Thompson like improvement. I want Bennett to come in and look like a young Charles Barkely. I want either Varejao or Bynum to be healthy on any given game night. I want a bionic exoskeleton for Kyrie. Those things are much more important.

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    Default Re: 2013 Mike Miller Thriller - Amnestied , Cavs interested ???

    I guess with Miles or Miller, you are looking for a mentor to Karasev. I'd rather Karasev play like Miller than Miles during his prime years. I don't really want Miller. I honestly could care less. But that could be how the Cavs are viewing this.

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    Default Re: 2013 Mike Miller Thriller - Amnestied , Cavs interested ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Hydroponic3385 View Post
    Huh? The room exception isn't even close to what we agreed with for Bynum.
    The Cavs only need to have cap room to make the bid . once they make the bid and win . they still need to sign miller. in this case they can use the room exception once they sign bynum. if they do have to renounce or cut someone it would be more likely chris quinn.

    Cavs may choose to waive miles but at the end of the day it most likely wouldnt be because they had to.

    btw all the cap figures we see are estimated. not the actual office only the NBA and Cavs see that. I am rather disturbed that people are constantly stating as fact what the Cavs can or cant do with the Cap. They pay good bucks to bring in experts who do nothing but study the CBA so when a team starts making moves (unless its tornto) to acquire or trade someone then they most likely have something in place to get it done.

    The media although their understanding of the cap is alot more sophisticad. they still even with their "sources" tend to misreport or show inaccuracies with their reports and in this case noone has stated miles specifically only that some salary may need renounced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tornicade View Post
    I dont think Miles gets waived. Cavs can sign miller using cap space and use the room exception for bynum signing. then cut quinn and add delladove with the rookie min
    Not even remotely close to legal

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    Default Re: 2013 Mike Miller Thriller - Amnestied , Cavs interested ???

    Windhorst explained the sole reason for the signing (whether it is popular with the fans is irrelevant)...it is to have another "good friend" (besides TT) on the Cavs roster to make signing with us more attractive for LeBron. I don't believe that there is likely to be a material impact on the Cavs' chances to make the playoffs this year. Miller looks nearly done to me, but does bring consistency when he shoots wide open 3s. CJ is younger and has a least an outside chance to be more of an impact player, but is frustratingly inconsistent in shooting 3s (except in the couple of games he was unconscious). Obviously, CJ can/will contribute more than Miller in 2013, but the question is how much more...when the real issue is what either would contribute in 2014.

    If Miller is not signed, CJ is still highly unlikely to be retained in 2014. His non-guaranteed contract tells us that (as does the fact that he is likely behind Gee). So, even if KI is close to CJ, that relationship is highly unlikely to induce the Cavs to retain Miles beyond this year (and they may not do so this year for a variety of non-Miller related reasons). While I don't think KI is likely to leave Cleveland (LeBron or no LeBron), it is nonsense to believe that he would be more inclined to leave if CJ is traded or cut.

    On the other hand, while neither Miller nor CJ will have much, if any, impact on the Cavs chances of success in 2014 as a player, obtaining Miller adds another piece to the presentation the Cavs wish to make to LeBron ... the absolute most comfortable and attractive place to play. Having TT and Miller would provide LeBron with 2 close friends and nobody else besides Miami is likely to offer him any better opportunity from a "personal relationship" side. Everything else is in place given the $$...an All Star PG, an All Star C (if Bynum is able to recuperate...or some additional cap money, if he cannot and a communication to LeBron that this team/owner are going out and getting the best possible players they can)...and a player they may need to use some of that cap money if they cannot (Andy), a potentially decent backup C in Zeller or a shift to TT to play some minutes there, two very young PFs with lots of upside (TT and Bennett), four different back up SFs to LeBron (Clark, Bennett, Gee, Karasev), and a shooting guard with high upside (DW) and a near winner of the best 6th man award who can shift into a starting role pretty easily if DW struggles (Jack) and a 3 point specialist (Karasev and Miller)....with lots of extra first round choices in the next few years to replenish the roster. if LeBron is looking for 4-6 more championships, this is the only team which can truly offer it to him. Even if he does not come, this team is still positioned to fight for NBA championships...although it will likely take 2-3 years longer as key players need further maturity and experience.

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    Default Re: 2013 Mike Miller Thriller - Amnestied , Cavs interested ???

    Quote Originally Posted by RonHarperFan View Post
    Not even remotely close to legal
    based on what?
    In order to submit a bid for a partial waiver claim, the bidding team must have cap room equivalent to the portion of their bid that would be charged to team salary in that season, plus the amount of any likely bonuses (see question number 72) for that season. If necessary, teams can create this cap room by waiving non-guaranteed players, but not by making trades. The team must make the cap room available immediately upon being awarded the amnesty claim.

    In this Case the Cavs have delayed signing bynum which puts them in under the cap. why wouldnt the cavs just sign bynum then renounce the guy if they won the bid?

    it would seem more likely the Cavs will sign miller if award and either structure bynums contract to allow space or use the room exception isn some fashion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbinla View Post
    Windhorst explained the sole reason for the signing (whether it is popular with the fans is irrelevant)...it is to have another "good friend" (besides TT) on the Cavs roster to make signing with us more attractive for LeBron. I don't believe that there is likely to be a material impact on the Cavs' chances to make the playoffs this year. Miller looks nearly done to me, but does bring consistency when he shoots wide open 3s. CJ is younger and has a least an outside chance to be more of an impact player, but is frustratingly inconsistent in shooting 3s (except in the couple of games he was unconscious). Obviously, CJ can/will contribute more than Miller in 2013, but the question is how much more...when the real issue is what either would contribute in 2014.

    If Miller is not signed, CJ is still highly unlikely to be retained in 2014. His non-guaranteed contract tells us that (as does the fact that he is likely behind Gee). So, even if KI is close to CJ, that relationship is highly unlikely to induce the Cavs to retain Miles beyond this year (and they may not do so this year for a variety of non-Miller related reasons). While I don't think KI is likely to leave Cleveland (LeBron or no LeBron), it is nonsense to believe that he would be more inclined to leave if CJ is traded or cut.

    On the other hand, while neither Miller nor CJ will have much, if any, impact on the Cavs chances of success in 2014 as a player, obtaining Miller adds another piece to the presentation the Cavs wish to make to LeBron ... the absolute most comfortable and attractive place to play. Having TT and Miller would provide LeBron with 2 close friends and nobody else besides Miami is likely to offer him any better opportunity from a "personal relationship" side. Everything else is in place given the $$...an All Star PG, an All Star C (if Bynum is able to recuperate...or some additional cap money, if he cannot and a communication to LeBron that this team/owner are going out and getting the best possible players they can)...and a player they may need to use some of that cap money if they cannot (Andy), a potentially decent backup C in Zeller or a shift to TT to play some minutes there, two very young PFs with lots of upside (TT and Bennett), four different back up SFs to LeBron (Clark, Bennett, Gee, Karasev), and a shooting guard with high upside (DW) and a near winner of the best 6th man award who can shift into a starting role pretty easily if DW struggles (Jack) and a 3 point specialist (Karasev and Miller)....with lots of extra first round choices in the next few years to replenish the roster. if LeBron is looking for 4-6 more championships, this is the only team which can truly offer it to him. Even if he does not come, this team is still positioned to fight for NBA championships...although it will likely take 2-3 years longer as key players need further maturity and experience.
    Windhorst is speculating here. The Cavs have been looking for a viable small forward all offseason. Mike miller would seem to be in play regardless of his relationship with lebron

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