Grant took a chance on Waiters and it didn't work out. Grant took a chance on Bennett and it didn't work out. Do you even read before you type? You want to constantly bitch about Grant's drafting, but you are giving Dumars a free pass on two of the worst free agent signings in league history? Two free agency signing that essentially crippled his team for multiple seasons, and will have an impact on the team's future until at least this off season? Get that weak stuff outta here!
If you read my posts, you'd see they had nothing to do with Drummond and everything to do with your worshiping of Dumars because he drafted Drummond. I'm fine with the fact that Grant should have drafted Drummond. He probably should have based on the evidence we have at hand right now. I didn't even mention Drummond in either of my posts that you've quoted. All I did was counter your ridiculously terrible points. You're the one who can't let the Drummond draft go. Not me. I'm over it. I've moved on, as have most Cavs fans. We can't go back and re-draft, and none of us has the personal power to fire our GM because we disagreed with his decision in the 2012 draft. At this point, it's just really fucking sad that some of you can't let go.
And my point is absolutely that we're no further to a championship to Detroit, despite rebuilding for two to three less years. Shouldn't that come into play when evaluating two GMs? Yes, Dumars won a championship over half a decade ago, but the NBA is a "what have you done for me lately" league, and lately he should have been fired several times over. Since breaking up that championship team, Dumars has proven approximately dick. His teams have sucked and his free agency signings have been about as bad as is possible.
Bottom line, I really don't get why you seem to think I hate Drummond. I don't, or at least not for any other reason than he's a Piston and, being a Cavs fan, it's my job to hate his ass. If we had drafted him, I'd be supporting his ass the same way I support Dion, Kyrie, Thompson, Zeller, Bennett, Karasev, and anyone else we draft. What I really don't understand is this incessant need for some of you to suck this guy's dick every time he posts a great stat line, or the need to diminish the guy we drafted instead of him. We didn't draft Drummond, and while that might suck, it's time to move on.