bigfigga12
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First off, with a little maneuvering, I believe the Cavs for the first time this offseason can execute a sign and trade, unlike years past being over the apron. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but after some roster management, renouncement of some free agents etc....can this be done?
My basic understanding is you have a salary cap number, a luxury tax threshold number, and then the apron. In order to execute a sign and trade, a team cannot be over the apron, both before or after executing the sign and trade.
The salary cap for next season is as of today 94 million, with still some people believing that number may still raise another 2-3 million, some even speculate 5 million more. For the sake of argument, let's go with what we know for sure it can/will be, 94 million.
At 94 million, the apron would be set at 117 million.
http://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/2016/
So that's the magic number relative to the Cavs. With their current cap holds, the Cavs are commited upwards to 150 million but it's irrelevant for team's already over the cap, crucial in calculation for team's under trying to sign free agents and remain under.
The ONLY player I would even consider a sign and trade for would be for Kevin Durant. Could you imagine a big 3 of Kyrie, Lebron, and K.D!??? It would be insane. Here is a great page to refeerence the Cav"s current salary cap situation..
http://www.hoopsrumors.com/cleveland-cavaliers
In order for my RIDICULOUS theory ( I believe anyway) to work, first the parameters of a deal. The nice part in discussing the value the Thunder would receive in this type of situation is they have absolutely no control over it... K.D simply would say this is where I want to go, take the value, or I'll sign somewhere else. Now even though the Thunder may simply want K.D's cap relief, Kevin Love would be a very interesting alternative for the Thunder rather than letting Durant walk for nothing. Remember Russell Westbrook and Love are former teammates at UCLA and are still super tight til this day. I believe Westbrook would completely be open to adding Love and the Thunder want a happy Westbrook.
In a sign and trade, either party can accept or receive 125% difference in salaries being exchanged. Durant can sign a max deal for 26,600,000 before being traded. Love's salary is $21,165,675. In a straight up swap, the Thunder would need a minimum $21,280,000 sent over from the Cavs ( $26,600,000 /1.25)which would leave the Cavs outgoing salary $114,325 short of what the Collective Bargaining Agreement allows. Actually, only $14,325 short, because they allow a $100,000 variance. So in order for this to be succesfull, the Cavs would need to convince Durant to sign for 15 grand less than the 26.6... lol.
I'm not adding any additional salaries or players to the deal for a reason. Once a team brings a player in via sign and trade and do so under the 117 million apron, they become hard capped and cannot exceed that number besides vet minimum and rookie exceptions. I believe once hard capped, the Cavs would lose any mid level, bi annual exception possibilities as well. So not only is it important to get under the apron in committed salaries enough to execute the deal, it's vital to have the majority of your roster and rotation solidified and fill out the remaining with vet min types.
For this to work, the Cavs would have to renounce all their free agents completely to release their cap holds, and renounce their trade exceptions as well I believe. That means they would not match Delly as a RFA, they would let Mozgov walk, renounce all of the rest in Kahn, JJ, Jefferson etc.
If the Cavs traded Love for Durant, they could add Durant and remain under the apron with 8 core players: Kyrie/Bron/Durant/Mo/Shumpert/JR/Frye/Thompson. Actually they wouldnt renounce JR, they would hold on to his bird rights and resign him. With my figures, if they resigned him at 8 million per year, they would still be $2,266,500 under the apron, so essentially they could go as high as 10 million per season with JR and still be ok.
Since Lebron does not have Bird Rights yet, he can only sign a 1 year deal for 27.5 million, which is what everyone expects. So once yo add Lebron's 27.5, K.D's 26.6, Kyrie/T.T/Shump and Frye combined equals $50,438,391, and then Mo's $2,194,500 as well as JR's 8-10 million, the total ranges from $114,733,500, onto anything additional of 8/year to JR staying under the apron.
Once the deal would be completed and they become hard capped, the Cavs could then add the PG they just drafted with a rookie exception, resign Jefferson and JJ to their same vet minimum deals, and then have about 3 roster openings left to add some ring chasers.
Lineup:
PG: Irving/ Mo/ Oakland kid
SG: J.R/ Shumpert/ Macray
SF: Durant/ Jefferson/ ?
PF: Lebron/?/ JJ
C: Thompson/ Frye/ ?
Cavs could go after a David West or pipe dream Dirk N for backup 4 and try and add cheap rim protection.
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong... is this even plausible??
My basic understanding is you have a salary cap number, a luxury tax threshold number, and then the apron. In order to execute a sign and trade, a team cannot be over the apron, both before or after executing the sign and trade.
The salary cap for next season is as of today 94 million, with still some people believing that number may still raise another 2-3 million, some even speculate 5 million more. For the sake of argument, let's go with what we know for sure it can/will be, 94 million.
At 94 million, the apron would be set at 117 million.
http://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/2016/
So that's the magic number relative to the Cavs. With their current cap holds, the Cavs are commited upwards to 150 million but it's irrelevant for team's already over the cap, crucial in calculation for team's under trying to sign free agents and remain under.
The ONLY player I would even consider a sign and trade for would be for Kevin Durant. Could you imagine a big 3 of Kyrie, Lebron, and K.D!??? It would be insane. Here is a great page to refeerence the Cav"s current salary cap situation..
http://www.hoopsrumors.com/cleveland-cavaliers
In order for my RIDICULOUS theory ( I believe anyway) to work, first the parameters of a deal. The nice part in discussing the value the Thunder would receive in this type of situation is they have absolutely no control over it... K.D simply would say this is where I want to go, take the value, or I'll sign somewhere else. Now even though the Thunder may simply want K.D's cap relief, Kevin Love would be a very interesting alternative for the Thunder rather than letting Durant walk for nothing. Remember Russell Westbrook and Love are former teammates at UCLA and are still super tight til this day. I believe Westbrook would completely be open to adding Love and the Thunder want a happy Westbrook.
In a sign and trade, either party can accept or receive 125% difference in salaries being exchanged. Durant can sign a max deal for 26,600,000 before being traded. Love's salary is $21,165,675. In a straight up swap, the Thunder would need a minimum $21,280,000 sent over from the Cavs ( $26,600,000 /1.25)which would leave the Cavs outgoing salary $114,325 short of what the Collective Bargaining Agreement allows. Actually, only $14,325 short, because they allow a $100,000 variance. So in order for this to be succesfull, the Cavs would need to convince Durant to sign for 15 grand less than the 26.6... lol.
I'm not adding any additional salaries or players to the deal for a reason. Once a team brings a player in via sign and trade and do so under the 117 million apron, they become hard capped and cannot exceed that number besides vet minimum and rookie exceptions. I believe once hard capped, the Cavs would lose any mid level, bi annual exception possibilities as well. So not only is it important to get under the apron in committed salaries enough to execute the deal, it's vital to have the majority of your roster and rotation solidified and fill out the remaining with vet min types.
For this to work, the Cavs would have to renounce all their free agents completely to release their cap holds, and renounce their trade exceptions as well I believe. That means they would not match Delly as a RFA, they would let Mozgov walk, renounce all of the rest in Kahn, JJ, Jefferson etc.
If the Cavs traded Love for Durant, they could add Durant and remain under the apron with 8 core players: Kyrie/Bron/Durant/Mo/Shumpert/JR/Frye/Thompson. Actually they wouldnt renounce JR, they would hold on to his bird rights and resign him. With my figures, if they resigned him at 8 million per year, they would still be $2,266,500 under the apron, so essentially they could go as high as 10 million per season with JR and still be ok.
Since Lebron does not have Bird Rights yet, he can only sign a 1 year deal for 27.5 million, which is what everyone expects. So once yo add Lebron's 27.5, K.D's 26.6, Kyrie/T.T/Shump and Frye combined equals $50,438,391, and then Mo's $2,194,500 as well as JR's 8-10 million, the total ranges from $114,733,500, onto anything additional of 8/year to JR staying under the apron.
Once the deal would be completed and they become hard capped, the Cavs could then add the PG they just drafted with a rookie exception, resign Jefferson and JJ to their same vet minimum deals, and then have about 3 roster openings left to add some ring chasers.
Lineup:
PG: Irving/ Mo/ Oakland kid
SG: J.R/ Shumpert/ Macray
SF: Durant/ Jefferson/ ?
PF: Lebron/?/ JJ
C: Thompson/ Frye/ ?
Cavs could go after a David West or pipe dream Dirk N for backup 4 and try and add cheap rim protection.
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong... is this even plausible??