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2017 Draft Prospects Thread

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Mahomes would be better, but he's simply never been developed.

His footwork is utterly terrible, he trusts his arm without setting up his throws.

It's just unfortunate, because he's got great talent. Maybe he can learn ahead of the curve at the next level as a project for someone.

I like his arm mechanics more than Trubisky to be honest. There's something in Trubisky's release that makes me cringe...just seems to on top of ball and I think it's ugly.

Mahomes footwork sucks, mostly because he only throws out of shotgun. It'll be interesting to see how he develops when getting under center. Could be something he can clean up pretty easily.

The film I posted is probably a bad representation...in fact Mahomes throws pretty flat-footed a lot of time on quick timing routes. The video I posted was a lot of broken down plays showing his athleticism.
 
Next year's QB class and the 2019 QB class need to quit being brought up when discussing this year's class...

Yes I understand looking ahead but it's so hard to project who is going to be the best QB in this year's class, with the current declarations, to let alone know who's going to be the best QB in future classes... I somewhat agree with the notion some guys you know will but you still can't count on that.. Carson Wentz was barely known until mid-way through last season... Deshaun Watson was thought as a sure-fire first pick after last year.. Kevin Hogan and Matt Barkely were once thought as first rounders, now both got drafted in the mid-rounds and are nothing more than backups... I remember the Jake Locker hype and he's not even in the league any more.. Yes you can bring up generational talents like Luck, Winston, etc., but those don't happen every so often.. And even if they do, you absolutely cannot count on being in a position to acquire one... Because when they're available, they're going #1...

There are good QBs available each and every year and it's the Browns job to identify which one, two or three that is... Weak class, strong class, average class, there's always going to be a QB or two and the Browns have to find it, wherever he may be... So say whatever you want about this class, but there will be a starting caliber QB or two to come out of it, the Browns have to find him...

Speaking of that, I really respect Matt Waldman as a draft writer because of his thorough breakdowns... He's started putting stuff out on the current crop and it's a good watch...

Watson:
https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2016/12/...ow-into-qb-study-and-clemsons-deshaun-watson/

Trubisky:
https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2017/01/03/rsp-boiler-room-no-67-mitch-trubisky-big-play-chances/
https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2016/12/28/rsp-boiler-room-no-62-qb-mitch-trubisky-and-pressure/

Kizer:
https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2017/01/03/rsp-boiler-room-no-66-deshone-kizer-field-general/
https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2017/01/02/rsp-boiler-room-no-65-qb-deshone-kizer-long-range-accuracy/


TL;DR version..

Watson may have production and hype but questions still surround his ability to properly identify and make NFL reads..

Trubisky checks all the boxes when it comes to what a QB should look like, but it's going to take time for him to have success until he improves on certain traits playing the QB position...

Kizer may be unfairly downgraded for his Notre Dame's poor season, because there's a lot to like and he has a lot of NFL qualities..
 
I'm honestly shocked more don't like Kizer. He consistently got better. Sure, his raw accuracy percentage has been great, but he played with an awful line, young WR'ers and no running game. When given any amount of time, he was deadly in all areas. Some of his throws are outstanding.

Now, I'm not advocating #1 overall. But depending on who is there at 12, I wouldn't be disappointed to get him. If they could bamboozle the draft and get him at 33, I absolutely pull the trigger.
 
I'm honestly shocked more don't like Kizer. He consistently got better. Sure, his raw accuracy percentage has been great, but he played with an awful line, young WR'ers and no running game. When given any amount of time, he was deadly in all areas. Some of his throws are outstanding.

Now, I'm not advocating #1 overall. But depending on who is there at 12, I wouldn't be disappointed to get him. If they could bamboozle the draft and get him at 33, I absolutely pull the trigger.

I think for a lot of people part of the issue is he was supposed to lead a top 15 team this year and instead that team sucked and he got benched.

Fair or not thats what people know about him. Also a lot of people hate notre dame
 
I think for a lot of people part of the issue is he was supposed to lead a top 15 team this year and instead that team sucked and he got benched.

Fair or not thats what people know about him. Also a lot of people hate notre dame

I do think the Notre Dame stigma and past failures of their QB's are a small point to why he doesn't get more run.

I also think preconceived notions of what a possibly franchise QB should do in College is also a big factor. And maybe that's a fair criticism. All I know is that Kizer has shown throws that make me believe he could have a big future in the NFL. Is he ready to start day 1? No, probably not. But I think his ability far outweighs Trubisky and Watson, IMO.
 
I do think the Notre Dame stigma and past failures of their QB's are a small point to why he doesn't get more run.

I also think preconceived notions of what a possibly franchise QB should do in College is also a big factor. And maybe that's a fair criticism. All I know is that Kizer has shown throws that make me believe he could have a big future in the NFL. Is he ready to start day 1? No, probably not. But I think his ability far outweighs Trubisky and Watson, IMO.

I'm on the Kizer bandwagon, small as it may be. Of the three, he's the one I'd be most inclined to try out, and even consider at 12. If he dropped to the 2nd, and I know he won't, it'd be a no brainer. I'm no QB scout though so this is just a dumb fan that watched a couple of his games and read about him. :chuckle:

My guess is all these QBs go in the top 10. If one doesn't, it'll be Watson, and I don't really want him much.
 
I'm on the Kizer bandwagon, small as it may be. Of the three, he's the one I'd be most inclined to try out, and even consider at 12. If he dropped to the 2nd, and I know he won't, it'd be a no brainer. I'm no QB scout though so this is just a dumb fan that watched a couple of his games and read about him. :chuckle:

My guess is all these QBs go in the top 10. If one doesn't, it'll be Watson, and I don't really want him much.

I think Watson might be a near lock for the 2nd round.

I also think, and man I hope I'm wrong...Hue values a lot of what Kaaya does. I am terrified of drafting Kaaya, though.
 
I do think the Notre Dame stigma and past failures of their QB's are a small point to why he doesn't get more run.

I also think preconceived notions of what a possibly franchise QB should do in College is also a big factor. And maybe that's a fair criticism. All I know is that Kizer has shown throws that make me believe he could have a big future in the NFL. Is he ready to start day 1? No, probably not. But I think his ability far outweighs Trubisky and Watson, IMO.

He also has a really low completion percentage, and a lot of people have been looking at that as an indicator for next level success for a long time (no clue if our analytics guys feel the same way). I like his traits, but boy this last year was a mess from the entire ND program.
 
He also has a really low completion percentage, and a lot of people have been looking at that as an indicator for next level success for a long time (no clue if our analytics guys feel the same way). I like his traits, but boy this last year was a mess from the entire ND program.

I have a feeling accuracy is very high on their metrics. Completion % is a barometer but the analytics guys would want to see more data on ball placement and tie that back to his completion %. If he places the ball in catchable positions, why are his numbers so low? Bad receivers, bad routes, bad touch? Or is he naturally inaccurate with his throws?
 
Kizer is my favorite of the bunch. He has the best tools out of all the QB's for me. I would prefer him at #33, or a trade into the late first though.
 
I don't like Kizer one bit. From what I've seen he is just not accurate with the football on a consistent basis.

To me it's Garrett at 1 and hope to god one of Trubisky or Watson gets to you at 12 or move up.

I really think Watson has all the tools to be a stud at the next level.
 
Mahomes definitely has some ARod in his game.

Natural arm strength on the move right or left, can dime it up on a flick.

Really needs to better understand footwork better, get a bit more bounce in his back foot. Definitely warming up to his skill-set after watching more of him today.
 

If he does, that would be incredible. Absolutely would be in play at 12.

If he makes it that far.
 

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