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Damn, Jimmy G this is some serious good quarterbacking.

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The Browns will have to part with the 12th overall pick and a second round pick '18 at best IMO.

Would I do it? I don't know. It really depends what falls at 12. I don't mean QB wise, I don't like any of them in the draft.

But if Hooker falls, that would be too tempting IMO. He probably won't though. Still think we need to fix this defense up before investing in blockbuster trades for QBs.

And I think Jimmy is good, but he's going into a contract year and will need to be paid. And, we still have a lot of question marks on defense.

I'm 50/50 on this. The Pats won't trade him for second round picks. Second round picks mean nothing to them. They do value Jimmy. So it's either go big, or don't go at all for him.
 
getBUCKED said:
They just traded their first this year for Brandin Cooks.. Not to mention trading both of our 2nds this year would not be a great move given the talent throughout the first two rounds. #33 and a second next year should be enough for him, if not the Patriots can just keep him while we fill more holes.
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It was a mistype. Meant 2018.
 
Why do I have to give up a 1st rounder and more, for a guy that barely snuck into the 2nd round when he was drafted? A guy that has played less than 2 games and gotten hurt?

But nah. Take a couple second rounders. Thanks.
 
Chris said:
Why do I have to give up a 1st rounder and more, for a guy that barely snuck into the 2nd round when he was drafted? A guy that has played less than 2 games and gotten hurt?

But nah. Take a couple second rounders. Thanks.
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I'm just curious, not asking you per se. But why are some people for example okay drafting a QB at 12, then not okay trading that pick for Jimmy?

Because they don't like him? Or not enough sample size? I mean, all the QBs in this draft have zero sample size.

I'd rather take Jimmy at 12 than either Watson or Trubisky. And the extra second round draft pick was given to us via the Osweiller deal. So, it's a free pick basically.

It's pretty evident if we want Jimmy it's not going to be second round draft picks. They just traded one away basically for a receiver. I don't think the Pats value them that highly.
 
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godfather said:
I'm just curious, not asking you per se. But why are some people for example okay drafting a QB at 12, then not okay trading that pick for Jimmy?

Because they don't like him? Or not enough sample size? I mean, all the QBs in this draft have zero sample size.

I'd rather take Jimmy at 12 than either Watson or Trubisky. And the extra second round draft pick was given to us via the Osweiller deal. So, it's a free pick basically.

It's pretty evident if we want Jimmy it's not going to be second round draft picks. They just traded one away basically for a receiver. I think the Pats value them that highly.
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No idea, but I don't really want a QB at 12 either.

I guess you could ask those people where they think Jimmy G would go in this year's draft.

If I were drafting, there is probably a player at 12 I'd rather have than one of these weak ass QBs.

Not convinced this thing is even for real. Seems media fabricated at this point. It's very likely he isn't even on the market and will not be traded and we'll have been talking about it for months for no reason.
 
At this point, it's not about the Browns fans not wanting to part with the #12 pick for Garoppolo. In fact, hate to break it to most of you, but the NFL isn't a democracy. We never had a say.

It's about New England not actually wanting to trade Garoppolo, therefore the asking price would be higher than #12 to change their mind.
 
Randolphkeys said:
At this point, it's not about the Browns fans not wanting to part with the #12 pick for Garoppolo. In fact, hate to break it to most of you, but the NFL isn't a democracy. We never had a say.

It's about New England not actually wanting to trade Garoppolo, therefore the asking price would be higher than #12 to change their mind.
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Yep, fans always want the easiest/best deal, I get it, but you got to look at NE's side. They have a QB in whom could be the future to their 40 year old QB. Why would they trade him away for second round draft picks? They wouldn't...

What if Brady gets injured? If I'm New England. I'd have zero interest in moving him unless it makes absolute sense.

And for those wanting to add Gordon, unfortunately that ship sailed now they have Cook. If the Browns want him, it's not going to come cheap. At this moment, there's no indication the Patriots will even make a deal.

I think they would, but it's going to be a steep price.

I'm 50/50 on it. But if we're going to take a QB, at all, I'm on the Jimmy or bust bandwagon.
 
godfather said:
I'm just curious, not asking you per se. But why are some people for example okay drafting a QB at 12, then not okay trading that pick for Jimmy?
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I can't speak for others but I spoke to this in a recent post. Under this version of the NFL CBA, first rd picks have slotted salaries. With a pick at 12 you can get a valued contributor at a cheap price and controlled for 5 yrs.
That makes 1st rd picks so valuable.

NFL teams have limited resources to improve their teams. The two biggest of those is draft picks and cap space.

So when u ask, why is it ok to draft a an at 12 vs trading for Garapolo, it comes down to basically using a HUGE chunk of resources. You are giving up a chance to draft a productive player and control him for 5 yrs reasonable (actually more with tags) rate, while also digging into the other part of your resources which is cap space.
You are paying double if u look at it from an assett standpoint because part of any trade would be negotiating a lucrative long term deal.

It's a lot of capital to give up for such an in proven player.
 
I've lurked a ton on this side, but just wanted to chime in. I want nothing to do with giving up picks for Jimmy. Jimmy is unproven and he needs a new contract. I'd rather the Browns either give Kessler the a chance, or draft a QB that they like.
 
LennoxLewis said:
I've lurked a ton on this side, but just wanted to chime in. I want nothing to do with giving up picks for Jimmy. Jimmy is unproven and he needs a new contract. I'd rather the Browns either give Kessler the a chance, or draft a QB that they like.
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I don't understand the logic behind the "Jimmy is unproven and I won't trade the #12 pick for him" then in the next sentence say "I'd be ok with player X in the draft using the #12 pick"

Garoppolo has 3 years, a few starts and multiple pre-season games under his belt. He's infinitely more proven than any college QB.
 
Phills14 said:
I don't understand the logic behind the "Jimmy is unproven and I won't trade the #12 pick for him" then in the next sentence say "I'd be ok with player X in the draft using the #12 pick"

Garoppolo has 3 years, a few starts and multiple pre-season games under his belt. He's infinitely more proven than any college QB.
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Because he hasn't earned that value.
 
Phills14 said:
I don't understand the logic behind the "Jimmy is unproven and I won't trade the #12 pick for him" then in the next sentence say "I'd be ok with player X in the draft using the #12 pick"

Garoppolo has 3 years, a few starts and multiple pre-season games under his belt. He's infinitely more proven than any college QB.
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AZ said it too, but just wanted to add that I never said take a QB with the 12th pick, I said draft a QB they like, could be anywhere I guess lol.

Jimmy has a small NFL sample size, I don't look into preseason much. My issue really is having to give up assets as well as having to lock him up long term.
 
Prime 1978 said:
I can't speak for others but I spoke to this in a recent post. Under this version of the NFL CBA, first rd picks have slotted salaries. With a pick at 12 you can get a valued contributor at a cheap price and controlled for 5 yrs.
That makes 1st rd picks so valuable.

NFL teams have limited resources to improve their teams. The two biggest of those is draft picks and cap space.

So when u ask, why is it ok to draft a an at 12 vs trading for Garapolo, it comes down to basically using a HUGE chunk of resources. You are giving up a chance to draft a productive player and control him for 5 yrs reasonable (actually more with tags) rate, while also digging into the other part of your resources which is cap space.
You are paying double if u look at it from an assett standpoint because part of any trade would be negotiating a lucrative long term deal.

It's a lot of capital to give up for such an in proven player.
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I get that, it's not a slam dunk decision. That's the con of trading for him, is you have to pay him, and that's going to take up cap space/resources to make the team better.

That's why I'm not sure if we should do it, necessarily, given I don't think we're ready to be a playoff caliber team right now.

It puts more pressure on the front office to hit on their draft selections and limits what they can do in free agency.

I probably am still in favor of punting on the QB position altogether and re-building the defense first then worrying about the QB later. But if we are in the QB market, I'd prefer Jimmy over the other alternatives in the draft. I'm not high on Trubisky or Watson at all. I do like Watson better than Trubisky, but I'm not a big believer in him either.
 
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