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Trade #1

Cleveland - Denver

Cleveland trades: Collin Sexton & Tristan Thompson

Denver trades: Jamaal Murray & Gary Harris

Why for Cleveland? Acquire two talented guards that still have room to grow. They could be our backcourt of the future.

Why for Denver? Sexton gives them their point guard of the future. Thompson is added for salary purposes.

Trade #2

Cleveland - Oklahoma City

Cleveland trades: Jordan Clarkson & J.R. Smith

Oklahoma City trades: Steven Adams & Kyle Singler

Why for Cleveland? Upgrade their center position; Adams is an underrated big and fits perfectly next to Love. Singler could be a backup combo forward.

Why for Oklahoma City? They get a starting calliber shooting guard in Clarkson. Smith is added for salary purposes.

Cleveland starting line-up
PG: Jamaal Murray / George Hill
SG: Gary Harris / Kyle Korver
SF: Cedi Osman / Sam Dekker / Kyle Singler
PF: Kevin Love / Larry Nance / Channing Frye
C: Steven Adams / Ante Zizic
 
Denver is competing now. Even if Sexton becomes a more impactful player than both of them combined(which I doubt), it will still take time, and they have no time to wait for it.

He does lower the current payroll and the future payroll significantly, but as a small market team that wants to compete now, I don't see the value for them there.

From the Cavs perspective, It just pushes us faster into treadmill territory because both of them are/will be close to max contract players and we will not be able to build anything with Love and two of them as our future core. Cavs will not be able to extend Zizic and Cedi as well.

I don't think Denver really NEED a point guard right now. Jokic acts as a passer and both Murray and even Harris to a lesser extent act as secondary ball handlers that can generate offense. They also have Will Barton who acts as a scorer and a facilitator.


As far as OKC goes: Steven Adams is a huge cog for them and is a very impactful big man in this league. Trading him for Clarkson and JR makes 0 sense for them. What's their incentive here?

How is Clarkson suddenly a starting caliber player? He is not, certainly not with Westbrook.

OBviously I would do that if I'm the Cavs because we steal tooons of value here. But again, he doesn't fit our current timeline, and we have Zizic who is bargain for the next few years.
 
Cleveland trades: Jordan Clarkson & J.R. Smith

Oklahoma City trades: Steven Adams & Kyle Singler
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They get a starting calliber shooting guard in Clarkson.
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You really need to stay off this website.
 
Neither Denver or OKC would do those trades in a million years.
 
Not trying to be rude but both of those deals are laughable. Spend time learning and guaging the value and importance players on other rosters have before posting more trade ideas. It’ll garner you more respect and people will take you more seriously. Keep posting trade ideas like these two and you’re at risk of turning into an RCF meme.
 
Not only is it comical you posted those trades in here, you posted them on Realgm as well and 25 people thought the trades were terrible and 1 person thought it was a decent value trade. I'm thinking you were the one person. If you posted these seriously ,,,wow just wow.
 
Trade #2

Why for Cleveland? Upgrade their center position; Adams is an underrated big and fits perfectly next to Love. Singler could be a backup combo forward.

Why for Oklahoma City? They get a starting calliber shooting guard in Clarkson. Smith is added for salary purposes.

Describing Adams as "underrated" when he's one year into a 4 year/$100M contract is batshit insane. He is a very good player whom OKC clearly values a ton. And you expect to acquire him with the comparative garbage you offered in return? Forget OKC turning it down -- they'd probably hire some goon to hunt down Altman and beat the hell out of him simply for wasting their time with such an insulting offer.
 
Cleveland starting line-up
PG: Jamaal Murray / George Hill
SG: Gary Harris / Kyle Korver
SF: Cedi Osman / Sam Dekker / Kyle Singler
PF: Kevin Love / Larry Nance / Channing Frye
C: Steven Adams / Ante Zizic

Fine, my trade ideas suck. The purpose of putting these together is to improve the team.

First, I was criticized because my ideas favored the opposing team. Now I get blasted because they're too good for us?

That lineup can make a deep playoff push. I could argue that they're the best team in the Eastern Conference.

Murray is the closest thing to Steph Curry in the association. He & Gary Harris compliment each other perfectly.

Cedi Osman is gonna surprise people this season and make the leap to legit starter. He made strides each of his first two seasons.

Last thing I want to mention is that Denver already has Will Barton signed to a large contract. He & Harris play the same position.

Why is Jordan Clarkson trash all of the sudden? He was insanely good in his stint with Los Angeles. The only reason we got him for cheap was becasue they wanted to have cap space for LeBron.

By the way, we did help them get LeBron with that trade.
 
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Fine, my trade ideas suck. The purpose of putting these together is to improve the team.

First, I was criticized because my ideas favored the opposing team. Now I get blasted because they're too good for us?

If you propose trades that are ridiculously favorable to the other team, you deserve to get blasted for that.

If you propose trades that are ridiculously favorable to the Cavs, you deserve to get blasted for that.

In other words, it is entirely possible for you to justifiably be blasted for a bad trade either way. The way not to get blasted is not to propose ridiculous trades. Look...here's a way to get you started on a better track. If you ever use basketballreference.com, they track all sorts of advanced stats. Two good ones to look at for a player are "BPM" (which is an adjusted plus/minus stat) and "VORP", which is "Value Over Replacement Player". For both stats, the larger the number, the better (unless it's a negative....) Now, you don't have to know exactly what those stats are -- just trust that they are as good a number approximation as you can find easily.

So, if you're going to propose a trade, check out the BPM/VORP of the guys you're trading. If the totals on both sides of your trade are relatively close, then you're at least in the ballpark talent-wise. Salaries may throw that off, but it's a start. If your trade is uneven, then try either adjusting players, or having one side or the other toss in draft picks to try to even it out.

So, let's look at the OKC trade you proposed:

Cleveland:

J.R. had a -1.7 BPM, and a 0.2 VORP. That means he's useless. And at his salary, a huge net negative.
Clarkson had a -1.9 BPM, and a 0.1 VORP. That's counting his time in both L.A. and Cleveland. He was worse in Cleveland alone. He's also probably a net negative given his salary, but he's young, and perhaps could get better.

Point is, between their BPM and VORP, you couldn't give those two guys away as a package to anyone. Way more money than they're worth.

OKC

Kyle Singler has been injured, and horrible. But, he's only due $5M this year, and it's a team option after that. So while he's terrible, you can ditch him or just absorb him for a year. Might even have some value later as an expiring. Don't even have to play him.

But then we come to Steven Adams: He had a BPM of 3.3., and a VORP of 3.3.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/adamsst01.html

Those are good numbers. By comparison, LBJ was the highest player in VORP in the entire NBA at 8.9, and his BPM of 9.6 was second only to Harden. But as for the rest of the Cavs:

Nance was the highest BPM at 2.6, with a 0.6 VORP.
Love was the highest VORP at 1.4, with a BPM of 1.3

Compare that to Adams at 3.3. for both.

So, to put all that in laymans' terms....you are trading away two relatively garbage players in JR and Clarkson, and in return, getting back a guy in Adams who was better than anyone else on the Cavs not named LeBron James.
 
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Fine, my trade ideas suck. The purpose of putting these together is to improve the team.

First, I was criticized because my ideas favored the opposing team. Now I get blasted because they're too good for us?

That lineup can make a deep playoff push. I could argue that they're the best team in the Eastern Conference.

Murray is the closest thing to Steph Curry in the association. He & Gary Harris compliment each other perfectly.

Cedi Osman is gonna surprise people this season and make the leap to legit starter. He made strides each of his first two seasons.

Last thing I want to mention is that Denver already has Will Barton signed to a large contract. He & Harris play the same position.

Why is Jordan Clarkson trash all of the sudden? He was insanely good in his stint with Los Angeles. The only reason we got him for cheap was becasue they wanted to have cap space for LeBron.

By the way, we did help them get LeBron with that trade.

Although I don't think your trade scenarios are realistic, I don't know think there's a need to insult you beyond that.

There are a lot of good posters on message boards, and unfortunately there are also a lot of losers who probably get off on insults, as evidenced by the reaction to your post.
 
Although I don't think your trade scenarios are realistic, I don't know think there's a need to insult you beyond that.

There are a lot of good posters on message boards, and unfortunately there are also a lot of losers who probably get off on insults, as evidenced by the reaction to your post.

Not one person insulted him. Everyone explained why the trades were bad or unrealistic, or they laughed.

The fact that multiple posts even responded in such a restrained manner and acted as if these were ideas that deserved legitmate discussion is, frankly, amazing.
 
Not one person insulted him. Everyone explained why the trades were bad or unrealistic, or they laughed.

The fact that multiple posts even responded in such a restrained manner and acted as if these were ideas that deserved legitmate discussion is, frankly, amazing.

I don't know man, I see an awful lot of people in this thread talk a big game about posting quality that should maybe consider their own output first. I'm not saying this is a good thread but the hostility is pretty shitty and somewhat comical when you consider where it's coming from in a lot of these.
 
I don't know man, I see an awful lot of people in this thread talk a big game about posting quality that should maybe consider their own output first. I'm not saying this is a good thread but the hostility is pretty shitty and somewhat comical when you consider where it's coming from in a lot of these.

I tried to help the guy post better trade ideas so he doesn't get blasted.

GenPop used to have a lot better posts in general, and S34 was reserved for insiders posting cool information. Over time, the quality of Genpop has declined to the point where a lot of good posters don't even bother posting in GenPop at all, and instead post solely in S34. If we ever want to revive GenPop, that has to include not only getting better posters to post there, but also calling out poor posts and trying to increase their quality as well.

Hopefully, the next trade this guy posts will be better thought out, and can start a better discussion. But...JR and Clarkson for Steven Adams?

Get that weak stuff outta here!
 
I don't know man, I see an awful lot of people in this thread talk a big game about posting quality that should maybe consider their own output first. I'm not saying this is a good thread but the hostility is pretty shitty and somewhat comical when you consider where it's coming from in a lot of these.

I know everyone perceives things differently, but I'm just not seeing any hostility. If you could point it out, maybe that would help?
 

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