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The Human Q-Tip said:
Julian Edelman was the key player on either team in Super Bowl LIII, and justifiably was voted MVP. Pats likely don't win that game without his gluefingers and incredible ability to get open. The Rams basically stopped everything else in the Pats offense, but couldn't stop him.
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And before that he was considered JAG/system player/smurf/converted mid-major QB/etc. and likewise that was generally considered justifiable. Super Bowl MVPs are a different thing in how they're evaluated; this was kind of like giving Iggy the 2015 NBA FMVP.

Ironically, him and Landry being more of possession receiver/"first down machines" means that even though they are not as flashy as long-bomb-type WRs, they may often be better value for their salary.

Again, I'm as optimistic as anyone on OBJ, particularly now that he's paired with Landry, but also fully admit I've been skeptical on WRs, whether it's him, Gordon, etc. We'll agree to disagree on some of the points of this.
 
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6.19.2016 said:
And before that he was considered JAG/system player/smurf/converted mid-major QB/etc. and likewise that was generally considered justifiable. Super Bowl MVPs are a different thing in how they're evaluated; this was kind of like giving Iggy the 2015 NBA FMVP;

Again, I'm as optimistic as anyone on OBJ, but also fully admit I've been skeptical on WRs, whether it's him, Gordon, etc. We'll agree to disagree on some of the points of this.
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I think you're overthinking this. The reason that you don't see a lot of elite WRs on really good teams is because really good teams can't afford to pay WRs over all the other positions of value. If you're a really good team, you've probably got a franchise QB. If you've got a franchise QB, at some point he will no longer be on a rookie deal and you'll be paying him a boatload. You'll need to protect that star QB as well, which means investing money in the offensive line. And teams with shitty defenses don't win championships too often, so you need to invest there as well.

Some positions need to take a hit. WR is often one of them, as is RB. Elite QBs can make good receivers look great, so you can shave some cash there. The Patriots have been doing it for years, taking on projects or headcases or rookies and letting Brady do his thing.

The Browns just happen to be in a unique situation where the bulk of their most important players (Mayfield, Garrett, Njoku, Ward, Chubb, Ogunjobi, etc.) are on rookie contracts, which allows them to spend elsewhere, like WR and stacking the D-line.
 
DirtyDan said:
I'm really excited for the young guys on the defense and offense.

Really don't know how special someone like Taki or Callaway or Redwine can be until they start playing in games that matter
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Couple of thoughts rewatching the backups perform in the first preseason:

Sheldrick Redwine is further along as a strong safety than he is in pass recognition. Hopefully the processing gets easier for him.

I heard mixed results on Chad Thomas for a long time and some positive praise for Davaroe Lawrence, and I was very impressed with both defensive linemen. They have power and technique, probably would have been buzzy sleepers in the years we had less to cheer about.

The linebacker rookies earned some praise, but they also overran a few runners, especially Taki Taki. I like his motor and he flashed in blitzes, but I saw some spots where he missed tackles including the play before Wilson's first pick.

Dontrell Hilliard likely wants to replay this one. He was solid getting open and catching the ball in checkdowns, but his pass protection was lacking. He got popped for one hold, but bad technique could have earned him one or two more. I don't knock him for the low rushing totals because there weren't many running lanes up front.

Kendall Lamm showed off some versatility jumping over to backup left tackle and holding his own, which is very good news. The bad news is Brad Seaton is trash at the fourth tackle.

Austin Corbett was decent in pass protection himself, but if he was responsible for calling out adjustments as the center he has a ways to go. The line misdiagnosed a number of simple blitzes.

That's it for now.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Couple of thoughts rewatching the backups perform in the first preseason:

Sheldrick Redwine is further along as a strong safety than he is in pass recognition. Hopefully the processing gets easier for him.

I heard mixed results on Chad Thomas for a long time and some positive praise for Davaroe Lawrence, and I was very impressed with both defensive linemen. They have power and technique, probably would have been buzzy sleepers in the years we had less to cheer about.

The linebacker rookies earned some praise, but they also overran a few runners, especially Taki Taki. I like his motor and he flashed in blitzes, but I saw some spots where he missed tackles including the play before Wilson's first pick.

Dontrell Hilliard likely wants to replay this one. He was solid getting open and catching the ball in checkdowns, but his pass protection was lacking. He got popped for one hold, but bad technique could have earned him one or two more. I don't knock him for the low rushing totals because there weren't many running lanes up front.

Kendall Lamm showed off some versatility jumping over to backup left tackle and holding his own, which is very good news. The bad news is Brad Seaton is trash at the fourth tackle.

Austin Corbett was decent in pass protection himself, but if he was responsible for calling out adjustments as the center he has a ways to go. The line misdiagnosed a number of simple blitzes.

That's it for now.
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You should do this evaluation each preseason game - give us the scoop on the guys who might not have constant eyes on them.
 
Vee-Rex said:
You should do this evaluation each preseason game - give us the scoop on the guys who might not have constant eyes on them.
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I always do what I can in that department, appreciate it.
 
Triplethreat said:
Corbett at center what a disaster
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Looks like Dorsey probably missed on Corbett and Chad Thomas. Alternatively, Baker, Ward, and Chubb have all been great picks and Avery was quite the find.

The problem is that you don’t want high picks to be missed, but it is still difficult to shit too hard on Dorsey.
 
jking948 said:
Looks like Dorsey probably missed on Corbett and Chad Thomas. Alternatively, Baker, Ward, and Chubb have all been great picks and Avery was quite the find.

The problem is that you don’t want high picks to be missed, but it is still difficult to shit too hard on Dorsey.
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Not shutting on Dorsey at all.

Just for the fact we just traded a pro bowl RG and though he would be replaced for a guy currently getting time at center is disastrous.

We have to keep Baker up right and healthy.
 
jking948 said:
Looks like Dorsey probably missed on Corbett and Chad Thomas. Alternatively, Baker, Ward, and Chubb have all been great picks and Avery was quite the find.

The problem is that you don’t want high picks to be missed, but it is still difficult to shit too hard on Dorsey.
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92.3 they were just talking about how Corbett had to play into the 4th quarter this past game so that they could try different positions for him to recover sunk cost.

Luckily we don't have any Kenny Brick/Dwayne Blow/Justin Gilbert situations where PetFarm/Sashi internally disagreed about cutting losses, and were too proud to admit a screwup on a high 1st rounder/major FA cost.
 
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