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Baker Mayfield: Fire The Cannons

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Urban said:
Dude, yes, 100% OBJ has him beat right now. Harris' hips are facing the wrong direction and he's slightly unbalanced. OBJ, on the other hand, just came out of his inside feign move and is accelerating straight down the sideline.

He's not "throw it at the 25 yard line open", but if that ball is thrown at the pylon, Beckham is going to come down with it

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Again though, it's a risky ball to throw IMO when you only need 4 yards
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So my point is pretty much proven on this replay.

1)OBJ has a guy all over him
2)OBJ gets his guy to bite
3) at this point Baker is already looking over the middle (because you know thats where he is supposed to go with the ball)
4) OBJ raises his hand because he has his man beat
5)OBJ drops his hand immediately, because he realizes the pass has already been made.

So like i said, yes OBJ beat his man, but it was too late. Furthermore as i have said, everyone on this god damn board would have grilled baker if he throws to OBJ and that pass isnt completed. You are asking Baker to make a damn precise/almost perfect pass 20 yards down field, against a damn good CB, versus going for Landry who is 5 yards down field.

Let be clear Baker screwed up. But it was because he didnt throw the ball sooner to Landry, not because he didnt hold the ball for a second longer and try to get it to OBJ
 
Kyrie4MVP0202 said:
He’s not the guy. Very low ceiling.
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I can understand being concerned about him. But the dude has a massively high ceiling. He proved that already in his rookie season. My biggest concern is him not being developed well enough to ever reach it.
 
I'mWithDan said:
I'm not sure what has changed with Baker but his eyes are just moving really slow this year. Last year, he had really crisp, quick head movements and decisively made throws in situations like this. He's been a tick slow all year and I really don't understand why this hasn't been corrected by the staff.
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Defenses are being more deceptive with their coverages and he's struggling to decipher them. They're also getting the plays in late and he doesn't have very much time to make pre-snap reads which is mind boggling. I feel like he'll figure out the coverages part - that's the hardest thing about playing QB when you first get into the NFL and he's a smart kid. The other thing, coaching? Idk. But I believe he'd have a little less trouble with the coverages with an extra few seconds to analyze them each play. That should be correctable, I'm really not sure why it hasn't been.
 
We should do a weekly RBF segment where someone tries to defend egregious QB play and the other just gets sad about how we got here.
 
The Wizard of Moz said:
What exactly about my response invoked a keyboard warrior response from you?

if you think height is the reason Baker Mayfield has been struggling honestly it’s not worth even discussing because we are never going to agree. I’ll PM you my address so we can fist fight
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I want to watch you and @Kyrie4MVP0202 reenact the trailer from The Lighthouse and we can judge who wins

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Kbiz said:
Are you volunteering yourself to do a weekly podcast with Triplethreat?

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While this plays in the background.
 
Urban said:
Beckham was 1000% open. With that said, that's a risky throw to take on 4th and 4. With the way Baker is playing right now, I don't have much confidence in him placing that ball where it needs to be....But OBJ is the type of player who can make something out of a less than perfectly placed ball...
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I agree here.

In a split screen, if a DB is on OBJ's hip at this point in his drive, that guy is complete toast.

A DB, who has lost all his cushion after 4 yards, trying to flip his hips and run with Beckham is in serious trouble if the ball is thrown over his shoulder.
 
bob2the2nd said:
So my point is pretty much proven on this replay.

1)OBJ has a guy all over him
2)OBJ gets his guy to bite
3) at this point Baker is already looking over the middle (because you know thats where he is supposed to go with the ball)
4) OBJ raises his hand because he has his man beat
5)OBJ drops his hand immediately, because he realizes the pass has already been made.

So like i said, yes OBJ beat his man, but it was too late. Furthermore as i have said, everyone on this god damn board would have grilled baker if he throws to OBJ and that pass isnt completed. You are asking Baker to make a damn precise/almost perfect pass 20 yards down field, against a damn good CB, versus going for Landry who is 5 yards down field.

Let be clear Baker screwed up. But it was because he didnt throw the ball sooner to Landry, not because he didnt hold the ball for a second longer and try to get it to OBJ
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Point of analysis on all plays like this is where does the ball go if it is Mahomes, Rodgers, Brees, Brady, etc........

That ball is going to OBJ, if he has his man on his hip off the line. I don't even think it is a conversation.

There is no DB in the league who can flip his hips, with a cushioned erased off the LOS and run him down before he can get to a well thrown ball. None.

Anyone who has played QB has probably heard the phrase "Even is open"......when you are talking about a capable receiver, who is running a vertical concept. If your initial look is OBJ, on a vertical concept and he has collapsed the DB's space off the line, he is most definitely open. The ball just has to go to him.
 
I'mWithDan said:
Point of analysis on all plays like this is where does the ball go if it is Mahomes, Rodgers, Brees, Brady, etc........

That ball is going to OBJ, if he has his man on his hip off the line. I don't even think it is a conversation.

There is no DB in the league who can flip his hips, with a cushioned erased off the LOS and run him down before he can get to a well thrown ball. None.

Anyone who has played QB has probably heard the phrase "Even is open"......when you are talking about a capable receiver, who is running a vertical concept. If your initial look is OBJ, on a vertical concept and he has collapsed the DB's space off the line, he is most definitely open. The ball just has to go to him.
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the CB's hips are already flipped. that happened right around the first down marker. Which means at this point its a foot race, and the two of them are equal. thats not open. Could OBJ still make a play on the ball absolutely. But at this point in time its completely on Baker to put the ball where only OBJ can get it. Which is going to be 15-20 yards down field.

So once again its 4th and 4. Does it make the most sense to force a ball to OBJ 15 yards down field, who is in a foot race, and which will require a perfect/damn good ball. Or to throw it 5 yards down the field to the open WR.

Baker made the correct choice. there is no fucking disputing that. The issue is that Baker threw it late.

Edit: and let me be clear, its obvious OBJ ends up beating his man. The issue is that this entire play was designed to get 5 yards, not 15. As Ive said several times, this play was not designed to go to OBJ, it was designed to go underneath. Landry had his man beat, Baker was just late.
 
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bob2the2nd said:
the CB's hips are already flipped. that happened right around the first down marker. Which means at this point its a foot race, and the two of them are equal. thats not open. Could OBJ still make a play on the ball absolutely. But at this point in time its completely on Baker to put the ball where only OBJ can get it. Which is going to be 15-20 yards down field.

So once again its 4th and 4. Does it make the most sense to force a ball to OBJ 15 yards down field, who is in a foot race, and which will require a perfect/damn good ball. Or to throw it 5 yards down the field to the open WR.

Baker made the correct choice. there is no fucking disputing that. The issue is that Baker threw it late.

Edit: and let me be clear, its obvious OBJ ends up beating his man. The issue is that this entire play was designed to get 5 yards, not 15. As Ive said several times, this play was not designed to go to OBJ, it was designed to go underneath. Landry had his man beat, Baker was just late.
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How exactly is that a garden variety foot race?

Off the line, Beckham has 2 strides of forward momentum.

The DB has yet to clear his hips and start running.

This DB is absolutely dead against a receiver like OBJ.

I'm not sure why you are continuing to hang on here.

If you want to argue that an on-time throw to Landry is a higher percentage play, that is fine.

But if you are giving OBJ a look off the line and as a QB, you see the above unfold, the ball should be delivered down the boundary to OBJ.
 
bob2the2nd said:
Baker made the correct choice. there is no fucking disputing that.
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I don't know how you can say this when Beckham has a step on Harris as Baker is completing his drop back. It's just a fade to the endzone; it's a bit of a risky throw when you only need 4 yards, but it's also not a ball that needs this pinpoint precision.
 
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