Kluber Traded to Rangers

AZ_ said:

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Embarrassing that a Twitter act could see this but not the Tribe FO. Concrete, irrefutable evidence team should have dealt him last off-season when Klubers value was higher.

Nothing gets me more triggered online than people talking about how prospects are "just potential LUL".

In the infamous words of @AZ_ be better.

macbdog said:

Embarrassing that a Twitter act could see this but not the Tribe FO. Concrete, irrefutable evidence team should have dealt him last off-season when Klubers value was higher.

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Wouldn’t other teams see this as well in this scenario you got going?

Amherstcavsfan said:

Nothing gets me more triggered online than people talking about how prospects are "just potential LUL".

In the infamous words of @AZ_ be better.

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Eh, at the same time I think he could be better than taking both sides of the issue and disparaging everyone for not having his opinion of the hour.

UDcleveland said:

Eh, at the same time I think he could be better than taking both sides of the issue and disparaging everyone for not having his opinion of the hour.

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I haven’t disparaged anyone, but I do appreciate the personal attack that I’d certainly receive a threatening PM for were the roles reversed.

Have a blessed day.

macbdog said:

Embarrassing that a Twitter act could see this but not the Tribe FO. Concrete, irrefutable evidence team should have dealt him last off-season when Klubers value was higher.

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Whats really embarrassing is no one on this board is in a major league front office. We are so much smarter

A warning has been issued for the first personal attack. Let's move past the personal attacks and into discussing roster formation and the players involved. Thanks, back to lurking on baseball threads.

Real Deal said:

Let's see what the Indians do with that extra 14 million. I'm not holding any expectations. I'll probably come along to liking the backend arm for the Klubot, but we still traded the Klubot. If he Klubots for even 2 more years then it's a loss.

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He hasnt been klubot the last two years and rarely in the post season. Ever

I think it’s entirely fair to say they should have pulled the trigger on a deal last year. Yes, it’s hindsight, but if they had the opportunity to get a better package of prospects, they saw the same metrics we did.

I don’t think it’s fair to say they didn’t get market value for him now. His value was damaged severely, and his metrics were bad.


I’m not going to root against him, I actually hope he does well unless it’s against Cleveland. But I’m not sure that chance is worth $17M this year and potentially $18M more next year, though the latter is contingent on his health in the coming year.

AZ_ said:

I haven’t disparaged anyone, but I do appreciate the personal attack that I’d certainly receive a threatening PM for were the roles reversed.

Have a blessed day.

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Yeah, comes with how important you are as a poster here.

avs2000 said:

He hasnt been klubot the last two years and rarely in the post season. Ever

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The best pitchers are aging pitchers. Look around the league. How many people wrote off Verlander? A lot of folks did. It was discussed and debated on here if the Indians should ante up, he goes to Houston and returns to his level. He's 3 years older than Klubes with a lot more mileage. Aging pitchers still find ways to flourish in today's league. If good health allows you of course and getting your forearm broke is a freak accident.

And rarely in the postseason ever? Dude put 2016 on his back so you can Gtfo with that trash.

Older article from May on Emmanuel Clase's meteoric rise:


An innocent-looking trade in May 2018 has suddenly turned into a potential steal for the Rangers.

The organization sent catcher Brett Nicholas, after designating him for assignment, to the Padres in exchange for righthander Emmanuel Clase. At the time, Clase appeared to be a late-blooming Dominican prospect yet to pitch in full-season ball who topped out at 95 mph. Now, Clase is hitting triple digits and has already blazed his way to Double-A Frisco.

The Texas League has proven to be a challenge for the suddenly quick-rising Clase, who has allowed 10 runs on 16 hits in his first 10.2 innings with Frisco. Five of those 10 runs came in one outing, however, and Clase is routinely hitting 100 mph with his fastball while positioning himself to potentially make his major league debut this season.

The 21-year-old Clase will be Rule-5 eligible this offseason, along with fellow hard-throwing relievers Demarcus Evans and Joe Barlow. The rebuilding Rangers could add Clase to the 40-man roster during the season, though they would prefer to let his pitching and performance dictate a promotion.

"It's still a little early now. I'm not going to rule it out," Rangers general manager Jon Daniels said. "We've got a few more steps to get to before we consider that."

Daniels said that Clase is similar to another hard-throwing reliever in the franchise's past, Neftali Feliz, in that they both generate elite velocity with very little effort. Clase also has good command of his slider, which was Feliz's primary offspeed pitch.

The Rangers have been aggressive with deserving relievers in past seasons, vaulting them through the system quickly. Just last season, lefty C.D. Pelham opened at high Class A Down East, moved to Double A and then made his major league debut in September.

As the Rangers continue to rebuild their big league club, which has dealt with early season bullpen woes, Clase, Evans and Barlow might force the Rangers' hand. At the very least, it appears they won't finish the season at their current levels.

"I think things line up pretty well for them to be getting some additional challenges this summer," Daniels said. "They're starting to creep their way onto the radar."

Randolphkeys said:

Legit point, but Jack specifically was singing the "we don't need right handed hitting" line at the deadline. The answer should be that a small market should never stop adding young talent.

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You are correct I indeed was and as I recall I ate crow with Puig ... do not see it happening here

macbdog said:

Embarrassing that a Twitter act could see this but not the Tribe FO. Concrete, irrefutable evidence team should have dealt him last off-season when Klubers value was higher.

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They clearly tried.

Amherstcavsfan said:

With all due respect, taking out money or anything else, this wasn't even close to comparable return to what they gave up.

Clase will be good. Kluber is probably better. DeShields is worthless. They should have moved Kluber last year.

Does anyone disagree with these statements? If you do, I'd be very curious to hear why.

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No...but money/salary is a part of every player's overall value, so I don't see why you'd ignore it.