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Serious question, then why did he go to the Cobb County Braves? They built fucking Epcot around the stadium and still can't draw in the top 10 of MLB attendance.
So not being in the top 10 in attendance means what, exactly?

Losing 93+ games in 2015 and 2016, and they drew over 2 million. We needed to go to game 7 of the WS to get over 2 million, adn that lasted for one season. They drew 2.65 million last year. I have no idea why you are trying to down play that attendance.

If Cleveland had attendance like Atlanta, we wouldn't have payroll issues.
 
Not my story nor do I have any inside information, but here's my take: Brantley was one of the best outfielders in Cleveland in the past 30 years, was a 3x All-Star, Silver Slugger, MVP candidate, a fan favorite (at least in my eyes) and an all-around likable guy. The Indians did right by him because it was the right thing to do for a guy that put in almost a decade of good work for the franchise.

Pretty much this. Indians loved Brantley, sad the relationship ended the way it did.

But well run organizations that build a reputation as being player friendly (which the Indians certainly have around the league) don’t dick over someone who put in a decade plus of time with a franchise by hindering their long term appeal on the open market with what may well be their final chance at getting a multi year deal. Even more so when they know the player wants to go elsewhere.

Indians valued their reputation, especially their reputation in their own clubhouse with guys who are still on our roster, over an additional draft pick.
 
So not being in the top 10 in attendance means what, exactly?

Losing 93+ games in 2015 and 2016, and they drew over 2 million. We needed to go to game 7 of the WS to get over 2 million, adn that lasted for one season. They drew 2.65 million last year. I have no idea why you are trying to down play that attendance.

If Cleveland had attendance like Atlanta, we wouldn't have payroll issues.

I was responding to the assertion that they play in front of a packed crowd and they often don’t.

I’m honestly very close to the situation and probably should recuse myself from this argument to maintain toughguy internet anonymity, but there’s a reason they pulled up stakes from the city and moved to the affluent northern burbs. It’s because they weren’t drawing proportionately to their market size and also because of what amounts to Atlanta’s classic ITP/OTP cultural and racial dichotomy.

The Atlanta metro is trending in the opposite direction of Greater Cleveland. It’s not wrong to think an area with 6.2 million people (and a regional fan base) should be drawing radically more than the Indians.
 
You should read this


So, it seems like this article addresses Forbes's valuation of each franchise.

It seems that @Obscured By Clouds was citing Forbes as the best source to estimate a team's revenue.

The article you posted doesn't seem to refute Forbes's accuracy on revenue--in fact they use it to draw many of their conclusions.

I agree that Forbes's franchise valuations are silly. I am not sure that Forbes is accurate with revenue. I don't know of a better source to estimate revenue.

Am I off base with anything here?
 
So, it seems like this article addresses Forbes's valuation of each franchise.

It seems that @Obscured By Clouds was citing Forbes as the best source to estimate a team's revenue.

The article you posted doesn't seem to refute Forbes's accuracy on revenue--in fact they use it to draw many of their conclusions.

I agree that Forbes's franchise valuations are silly. I am not sure that Forbes is accurate with revenue. I don't know of a better source to estimate revenue.

Am I off base with anything here?

I'd argue he's putting more into the legitimacy of the Forbes estimates than they are worth. We don't know if it's the best source or a wildly misleading source because they're really just guessing based on historical trends and the few concrete pieces of data we have. Personally, I'd hesitate to use their data as support for an argument, in support or in criticism of a team.

Per the article:

"Placing full trust in the Forbes data is difficult. The numbers don’t match reality, the methodology is in question and the data it does have are disputable."
 
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But but...the new guy says Forbes is God??

I so confused!
Rather large fail of a burn.

Recently you had a 'poor me' post on here saying no one respects you or your opinion. You made it out to be there was no reason for this, other than your opinion was different. Well, this is the reason. You constantly go low with this type of garbage of a post. You do this because you are a weak person. I actually feel sorry for you.
 
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I'd argue he's putting more into the legitimacy of the Forbes estimates than they are worth. We don't know if it's the best source or a wildly misleading source because they're really just guessing based on historical trends and the few concrete pieces of data we have. Personally, I'd hesitate to use their data as support for an argument, in support or in criticism of a team.

Per the article:

"Placing full trust in the Forbes data is difficult. The numbers don’t match reality, the methodology is in question and the data it does have are disputable."

Their methodology is detailed out here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeoz...nkees-lead-league-at-46-billion/#3327682f69b2
 
Pretty much this. Indians loved Brantley, sad the relationship ended the way it did.

But well run organizations that build a reputation as being player friendly (which the Indians certainly have around the league) don’t dick over someone who put in a decade plus of time with a franchise by hindering their long term appeal on the open market with what may well be their final chance at getting a multi year deal. Even more so when they know the player wants to go elsewhere.

Indians valued their reputation, especially their reputation in their own clubhouse with guys who are still on our roster, over an additional draft pick.

I appreciate the response. Are there other teams that operate in this manner? It seems odd to me. We all hear professional athletes talk about their sport as a business again and again. I would think there are ways to be player friendly while still fully taking advantage of the assets your team has. Then again, I don't really have any firsthand knowledge of player-management nuance.
 
Has anyone done research seeing a correlation between population and attendance?

For example, the Atlanta metro area has about 3x the population Cleveland has. On top of that, I think the closest MLB team to Atlanta is Cincinnati. So any baseball fan within a few hours of Atlanta pretty much has the Brave or nothing.

It'd be great if we were the only MLB city close to Toledo, Youngston, Columbus, Dayton and Indy. Instead we have to fight with Pittsburgh, Cincy, Detroit and Chicago for those markets.

So I think a team in Atlanta has much easier time getting 30k people to come to a game as opposed to a team in Cleveland.
 
Has anyone done research seeing a correlation between population and attendance?

For example, the Atlanta metro area has about 3x the population Cleveland has. On top of that, I think the closest MLB team to Atlanta is Cincinnati. So any baseball fan within a few hours of Atlanta pretty much has the Brave or nothing.

It'd be great if we were the only MLB city close to Toledo, Youngston, Columbus, Dayton and Indy. Instead we have to fight with Pittsburgh, Cincy, Detroit and Chicago for those markets.

So I think a team in Atlanta has much easier time getting 30k people to come to a game as opposed to a team in Cleveland.
Very true. I visit South Carolina/North Carolina a lot and I see Braves hats constantly.
 

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