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This is far too cryptic, my man. Should we not be getting our hopes up?
 
Give Frankie 300 million already and sign Puig.

There’s no need for Puig now with Domingo Santana in the fold. Unless you propose platooning Puig with Luplow since the former actually has better splits against RHP. Not sure he would be that much of an upgrade over Naquin if you limit Puig to just that though.
 
This is just to flush out what Indians want to pay (see $300 over 10 years w some/a lot deferral as max limit, $ like Machado) and what Lindor really wants ($350 over 10 w no deferral - same $ as Rendon but longer due to being younger and SS). The $5 mill per year doesn’t sound like a lot but is based on min and max both sides will deal from (and more like $7.5-10 with deferrals factored in). Each side can say they did their best to save face. Lindor backed Indians into a corner and negotiations will show Lindor wants to bring a championship but not at a big hometown discount ... not w his agent. He will hype it up to play for a year or two on wanting to stay but it comes down to $, as everyone says but Lindor doesn’t need to admit to until pressed.

The issue with Indians is if they give Lindor big contract ... Bieber and Clevinger will use it as leverage too. So, Indians can promote a $300 mill contract but value will really be $250 mill due to deferrals ... something Lindor cannot agree to and something Indians can explain away in other contract as being cash strapped (more money later or smaller $s now but guaranteed like Ramirez and Cookie and others ...)...
 
This is just to flush out what Indians want to pay (see $300 over 10 years w some/a lot deferral as max limit, $ like Machado) and what Lindor really wants ($350 over 10 w no deferral - same $ as Rendon but longer due to being younger and SS). The $5 mill per year doesn’t sound like a lot but is based on min and max both sides will deal from (and more like $7.5-10 with deferrals factored in). Each side can say they did their best to save face. Lindor backed Indians into a corner and negotiations will show Lindor wants to bring a championship but not at a big hometown discount ... not w his agent. He will hype it up to play for a year or two on wanting to stay but it comes down to $, as everyone says but Lindor doesn’t need to admit to until pressed.

The issue with Indians is if they give Lindor big contract ... Bieber and Clevinger will use it as leverage too. So, Indians can promote a $300 mill contract but value will really be $250 mill due to deferrals ... something Lindor cannot agree to and something Indians can explain away in other contract as being cash strapped (more money later or smaller $s now but guaranteed like Ramirez and Cookie and others ...)...
I thought the rumor after tribe fest was 10 year 300 million would get it done?
 
Bimbo what length we talking here? Because I view it as a 0% chance they do 10/300. I could maybe see something shorter term for more per year if I really squint my eyes (maybe a 0.03% chance)
 
Bimbo what length we talking here? Because I view it as a 0% chance they do 10/300. I could maybe see something shorter term for more per year if I really squint my eyes (maybe a 0.03% chance)

How I feel.

Just isn’t happening and I’m fine with it. Unless Lindor has some change of heart and decides to play here on the cheap. Which yeah,no.

edit: Not fine with it but you know what I mean.
 
But I just re-read the thread and nowhere do I see you being attacked.

I'm sorry you feel the need to paint so many people on this board as villains when we're just trying to talk baseball

To be fair, i was stealing your signs you were leaving in other posts. Me and a few of the other posters have a system we put in place with buzzers, texts and other electronic equipment. Sure some might think we are cheating, but i refuse to apologize.
 
How I feel.

Just isn’t happening and I’m fine with it. Unless Lindor has some change of heart and decides to play here on the cheap. Which yeah,no.

edit: Not fine with it but you know what I mean.

With the economics of baseball i dont blame Franky for not wanting what teams are willing to pay, and I understand the Dolans cant afford to pay. Personally i am mad at MLB for not having a cap and revenue sharing plan.
 
To be fair, i was stealing your signs you were leaving in other posts. Me and a few of the other posters have a system we put in place with buzzers, texts and other electronic equipment. Sure some might think we are cheating, but i refuse to apologize.

I spoke to Manfred, he said you showed enough remorse
 
Francisco Lindor on trade rumors: 'I wanna win' in Cleveland
4:12 PM MT
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    Alden GonzalezESPN Staff Writer
  • - After an entire offseason of rumors about a potential trade and constant speculation that his team will not be able to afford him, Cleveland Indians shortstop Francisco Lindor wanted to make one thing clear after his first official workout of spring training.

"I wanna win here. I wanna stay here," Lindor said Monday. "I wanna stay here in Cleveland. This is home. I'm not playing to get traded or to put myself in a good spot to get traded. I'm playing to win. I want to win here."

Lindor, a four-time All-Star and one of the game's best all-around players, is two seasons away from free agency and will undoubtedly command $30-plus million per year on a long-term contract once he ventures into the open market. The Indians have been trimming their payroll in recent years, going from $135 million in 2018 to $120 million in 2019 to an estimated $90 million in 2020.

Lindor, 26, could absorb about a quarter of the Indians' payroll, putting the franchise in a precarious situation similar to that of the San Diego Padres after they signed Manny Machado.

Lindor nonetheless thinks a long-term deal is possible.

"If the negotiations or whatever makes sense, it's gonna happen," Lindor said. "The team is not broke. The league is not broke. There's money."

The Indians reportedly shopped Lindor in the offseason, but some of the executives involved in the negotiations came away believing that the team wasn't all that serious about trading him. Despite sending Corey Kluber to the Texas Rangers, the Indians have a wealth of young pitching and remain hopeful of competing in the American League Central, a division in which the Minnesota Twins and Chicago White Sox loom as legitimate threats.

If the Indians fall out of contention over the summer, it's possible that they would trade Lindor in July -- or in the offseason that follows.

It seems that Indians president Chris Antonetti would prefer not to.

"We'd love for Francisco to be here long-term," Antonetti said. "I think Francisco shares that desire. We have, and our ownership has made, meaningful efforts to try and do that. And so has Francisco. And he and his representative, David Meter, continue to express to us, both publicly and privately, that he'd like to stay here and like to stay in Cleveland. And I think he's been consistent with what he shared with all of you. Now, how we make that happen is where it gets difficult.
"It's not because of a lack of desire on our part or not because of a lack of desire on Francisco's part. But more when you look at the economics of baseball and the realities of building championship teams in a small market, it gets really tough. The interest is there, the desire is there, on both sides, to try to get something done. And whether or not that's possible, we just don't know."

Antonetti first needs to determine whether he can get Lindor to sign the type of extension that would allow the Indians to remain competitive, conversations that are expected to continue during spring training. If nothing makes sense for either side, Antonetti must decide whether to trade Lindor -- and suffer backlash like the Boston Red Sox did when they traded Mookie Betts to the Los Angeles Dodgers -- or try to win with him until he becomes a free agent after the 2021 season.
Antonetti said the latter is "certainly one of the paths we could pursue."

"I love it here," Lindor said. "The people are great. The city of Cleveland has been nothing but good to me. Why would I want to leave? If we have a team in Puerto Rico, that would be a little different. I'd be saying I want to get out of Cleveland and be in Puerto Rico. But that's not the case. I'm just enjoying the ride here. I'm blessed to be playing this game on a daily basis. And to be able to call this my job, it doesn't get any better than this."
 

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