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sportscoach said:
I really felt they should have done ten rounds mostly because players usually within the first ten have a legit chance to make it to the pros.

To me it sounds like a lot of college seniors/older college kids will be able to sign with anyone they want this off season. Most of the high school seniors will go to college if not taken, so honestly next season should make for some really good college ball cause of a lot more influx of talent than before, but i could be wrong there. I would just advise any non drafted high school senior to go to college so they can get drafted since most of the time that will earn them more money than signing with a team.
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I suspect you will see 10 rounds of players signed by most teams, just not at slot values.

So the 4th and 5th round will probably see many players signing for under slot rather than take the chance they go undrafted and end up facing $20K or college. Then you will see about 3 rounds (90 players =>3 rounds, 30 teams) signed for the $20k as undrafted free agents by most teams I would suspect. Getting decent talent for $20k is a bargain most teams will not pass up.

But for HS kids, if you are not going in the first couple rounds of the draft, college has always been the best option.
 
sportscoach said:
I really felt they should have done ten rounds mostly because players usually within the first ten have a legit chance to make it to the pros.

To me it sounds like a lot of college seniors/older college kids will be able to sign with anyone they want this off season. Most of the high school seniors will go to college if not taken, so honestly next season should make for some really good college ball cause of a lot more influx of talent than before, but i could be wrong there. I would just advise any non drafted high school senior to go to college so they can get drafted since most of the time that will earn them more money than signing with a team.
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College rosters are going to be a mess. From what I hear, college seniors that kick back and have an additional year of eligibility, will be on teams but will not count against roster size. So you could have a 35 man roster with 40 to 45 players. So getting actual playing time on the field will be very challenging at many programs this year.
 
While I don't know when the draft will come.. the indians will be selecting six guy in the five rounds, for sure, perhaps the MLBPA & MLB will change to ten.. that said.. the Indians have the 23rd, 36th, 57th, 95th and 125th and 155th picks.. They can trade the 36th pick, if they are so inclined.. and there is a good reason to.. That said.. here is the first pass on this board as a mock draft for the Indians for the first three rounds (plus the Competitive Balance Lottery choice/trade suggestion).. Anything after the first three rounds is a crap shoot, anyway..:

23rd Overall: Cole Wilcox of the University of Georgia.. a 6'5" RHP with three solid pitches (two are plus) with a work horse physique and a nasty disposition.. Our kind of SP and someone that will be able to contribute within three years..

36th Overall: Dylan Crews.. a solid to spectacular athlete with a short powerful compact swing ( like Brian Giles). A better athlete than Clint Frazier with better bat to ball skills but the same kind of power. If DC isn't available.. a trade to the Astros could be considered..

57the Overall: JT Ginn 6'2" 195 RHP Miss St. A risky pick with his injury, but, clearly a guy that has had the ability to throw quality strikes using his mid/upper 90's FB and late late breaking slider. He clearly embraces the "pitch tunneling" philosophy (held in high esteem by Drive Line, Jups and Others).. With the short SHORT draft and his injury concerns, he could drop to the Indians here. If there.. and the meds check out, he'd be a steal.

Pick # 95: Chase Davis 6'1" 210 Franklyn HS Ca Strong athletic corner OF that does everything well. very fast hands and bat. Strong like bull. Could see any spot in the OF, but, RF would welcome the howitzer of a left arm he has. A wild card pick..

If a talent like Dylan Crews isn't available.. there is a STRONG incentive for the Indians and Astros to consider a deal.. The deal could include more than just the draft pick, but, would essentially look like:

Astros get 36th overall pick in the draft.
Indians get Bryan Abreu.. a RH pitcher that could be best out of the pen..

Thoughts?..
 
Gson said:
While I don't know when the draft will come.. the indians will be selecting six guy in the five rounds, for sure, perhaps the MLBPA & MLB will change to ten.. that said.. the Indians have the 23rd, 36th, 57th, 95th and 125th and 155th picks.. They can trade the 36th pick, if they are so inclined.. and there is a good reason to.. That said.. here is the first pass on this board as a mock draft for the Indians for the first three rounds (plus the Competitive Balance Lottery choice/trade suggestion).. Anything after the first three rounds is a crap shoot, anyway..:

23rd Overall: Cole Wilcox of the University of Georgia.. a 6'5" RHP with three solid pitches (two are plus) with a work horse physique and a nasty disposition.. Our kind of SP and someone that will be able to contribute within three years..

36th Overall: Dylan Crews.. a solid to spectacular athlete with a short powerful compact swing ( like Brian Giles). A better athlete than Clint Frazier with better bat to ball skills but the same kind of power. If DC isn't available.. a trade to the Astros could be considered..

57the Overall: JT Ginn 6'2" 195 RHP Miss St. A risky pick with his injury, but, clearly a guy that has had the ability to throw quality strikes using his mid/upper 90's FB and late late breaking slider. He clearly embraces the "pitch tunneling" philosophy (held in high esteem by Drive Line, Jups and Others).. With the short SHORT draft and his injury concerns, he could drop to the Indians here. If there.. and the meds check out, he'd be a steal.

Pick # 95: Chase Davis 6'1" 210 Franklyn HS Ca Strong athletic corner OF that does everything well. very fast hands and bat. Strong like bull. Could see any spot in the OF, but, RF would welcome the howitzer of a left arm he has. A wild card pick..

If a talent like Dylan Crews isn't available.. there is a STRONG incentive for the Indians and Astros to consider a deal.. The deal could include more than just the draft pick, but, would essentially look like:

Astros get 36th overall pick in the draft.
Indians get Bryan Abreu.. a RH pitcher that could be best out of the pen..

Thoughts?..
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I won't bite on the picks because it is not my thing. But I will comment on the date and rounds. The commissioner unilaterally by the agreement reached earlier this year decided on 5 rounds. So it is 5 rounds and it will be on June 10 and 11th from all indications
 
Gson... ICYMI Prospects Live did a mock draft on 5/1/20. I thought I saved the list of selected players but am not currently finding it.
Willie Hood was making the Cleveland selections.

I do recall the JT Ginn was taken in Round 1 (Edit: pick #25)

IF you want to watch the mock draft for yourself, here is the Youtube stream/ clip. Its nearly 4 and a half hours long.


EDIT: Found the listing of players taken. Here it is.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A_5qSuHmOgP4WOpFg5E7dPZ9UqLKiq5RVlR8_IysCj8/edit#gid=0

Cole Wilcox went #13 to San Fran
Dylan Crews went #42 to Toronto
Chase Davis went #52 to NY Mets...

As for the proposed deal with the Astros, I think the sign stealing penalty might be hurdle. IF the Astros acquire a pick I think part of the penalty rolls into the next draft
 
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MadThinker88 said:
Gson... ICYMI Prospects Live did a mock draft on 5/1/20. I thought I saved the list of selected players but am not currently finding it.
Willie Hood was making the Cleveland selections.

I do recall the JT Ginn was taken in Round 1 (Edit: pick #25)

IF you want to watch the mock draft for yourself, here is the Youtube stream/ clip. Its nearly 4 and a half hours long.


EDIT: Found the listing of players taken. Here it is.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A_5qSuHmOgP4WOpFg5E7dPZ9UqLKiq5RVlR8_IysCj8/edit#gid=0

Cole Wilcox went #13 to San Fran
Dylan Crews went #42 to Toronto
Chase Davis went #52 to NY Mets...

As for the proposed deal with the Astros, I think the sign stealing penalty might be hurdle. IF the Astros acquire a pick I think part of the penalty rolls into the next draft
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I believe their own 1st and 2nd round picks apply (both for 2020 and 2021).. but if they acquire a draft pick via trade.. that should not interfere with their penalty or the Tribe's deal.. If someone has better insight/information.. I'm all ears..

As the drafted players were selected.. if Dylan Crews (DC) is around at # 36.. the Tribe should take him.. If Wilcox isn't around at # 23, my next choice for the Tribe's pick would be Zac Veen, then DC.. followed by Peter Crow-Armstrong. Veen,PCA and DC would / could solve a lot of the OF problems/questions in the coming years..

I'll also suggest that with the extra time in starting the 2020 season.. not only will Cookie, Clevinger and Tyler Naquin be more ready.. so will Bradley Zimmer.. Watching the 22 game winning streak from 2017 gives fans a chance to see what an incredible athlete Zim is.. He's been optioned to MiLB.. but.. watch out for him in this, the 2020 season, as well as going forward..

Thanks for the response..

..and no.. 4 1/2 hours of virtual draft.. will be a pass.. the real thing.. is another story..
 
I honestly recall hearing/ reading something that IF the Astros signed a free agent that would otherwise require them to lose a draft pick (like a 2nd round pick) the penalty pick would roll over to the net draft they had that pick.. Perhaps it was a BBTN podcast or something else once all the news broke.

Allowing the Astros to acquire picks to make up spots otherwise taken away via penalty without some sort penalty continuing (into the 2022 draft) kinda of defeats the purpose of the penalty does it not??

As for watching the mock draft replay, that isnt really needed since I was able to find & attach the pick record for your reference..

EDIT: Your pick targets were well liked by others in that mock draft. Lets see:
Zac Veen: 1st round #4 by KC
Peter Crow Armstrong: 1st round #20 by MKE
Heck even the reclassified Nick Bitsko was taken before the Tribe selection (1st round #15 by Philly)
 
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MadThinker88 said:
I honestly recall hearing/ reading something that IF the Astros signed a free agent that would otherwise require them to lose a draft pick (like a 2nd round pick) the penalty pick would roll over to the net draft they had that pick.. Perhaps it was a BBTN podcast or something else once all the news broke.

Allowing the Astros to acquire picks to make up spots otherwise taken away via penalty without some sort penalty continuing (into the 2022 draft) kinda of defeats the purpose of the penalty does it not??

As for watching the mock draft replay, that isnt really needed since I was able to find & attach the pick record for your reference..
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Honestly if another team (especially one who could have lost games cause of their cheating) offers a draft pick, i don't see why it would be an issue nor see why they should lose it. But I am not sure of what the commissioner and his team decided, but if another team okays the trade, I am not sure why baseball in general would have an issue with it
 
MadThinker88 said:
I honestly recall hearing/ reading something that IF the Astros signed a free agent that would otherwise require them to lose a draft pick (like a 2nd round pick) the penalty pick would roll over to the net draft they had that pick.. Perhaps it was a BBTN podcast or something else once all the news broke.

Allowing the Astros to acquire picks to make up spots otherwise taken away via penalty without some sort penalty continuing (into the 2022 draft) kinda of defeats the purpose of the penalty does it not??

As for watching the mock draft replay, that isnt really needed since I was able to find & attach the pick record for your reference..

EDIT: Your pick targets were well liked by others in that mock draft. Lets see:
Zac Veen: 1st round #4 by KC
Peter Crow Armstrong: 1st round #20 by MKE
Heck even the reclassified Nick Bitsko was taken before the Tribe selection (1st round #15 by Philly)
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W/R to picks.. If you go back to the IBI site.. and the first postings of possible Tribe targets.. I had Asa Lacey as my first, first pick for the Indians.. then Mick Abel, then PCA, then Ginn..that was back just after the J2 session opened....

The rules as it applies to lost draft selections is kind of murky.. It would seem that if a team "loses" a player/prospect (Bryan Abreu), in this example.. would be a penalty.. BTW, & imho, the # 36 overall plus another prospect from the Indians would be what's needed to make deal happen.. The stros are clearly "all in" on the analytics..so a high baseball IQ guy with blood lines/pedigree could be the 'sweetener' that would allow them to reduce the glut (and open a 40 man spot) they have in their rotation/pen to start the year.. someone like switch hitting/multi-positional/18 years old/talented Angel Martinez..

Just an opinion
 
Gson said:
W/R to picks.. If you go back to the IBI site.. and the first postings of possible Tribe targets.. I had Asa Lacey as my first, first pick for the Indians.. then Mick Abel, then PCA, then Ginn..that was back just after the J2 session opened....

The rules as it applies to lost draft selections is kind of murky.. It would seem that if a team "loses" a player/prospect (Bryan Abreu), in this example.. would be a penalty.. BTW, & imho, the # 36 overall plus another prospect from the Indians would be what's needed to make deal happen.. The stros are clearly "all in" on the analytics..so a high baseball IQ guy with blood lines/pedigree could be the 'sweetener' that would allow them to reduce the glut (and open a 40 man spot) they have in their rotation/pen to start the year.. someone like switch hitting/multi-positional/18 years old/talented Angel Martinez..

Just an opinion
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Indians aren't afraid to trade lower prospects for a prospect who could help them now. So I don't think they would be afraid to move draft picks for the same reason.

Now I like Abreu's potential, but the Indians do value control a lot and thats one thing he hasn't shown to me yet. I dont think they would be willing to give up that much for him
 
sportscoach said:
Indians aren't afraid to trade lower prospects for a prospect who could help them now. So I don't think they would be afraid to move draft picks for the same reason.

Now I like Abreu's potential, but the Indians do value control a lot and thats one thing he hasn't shown to me yet. I dont think they would be willing to give up that much for him
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As an RP..he was less than 1 BB / 9 IP.. SSS...take away two of his pitches and he gains the control that is needed in that role.. As an SP.. not so much
 
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Gson said:
As an RP..he was less than 1 BB / 9 IP.. SSS...take away two of his pitches and he gains the control that is needed in that role.. As an SP.. not so much
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I get that, but it feels like to me the organization values control a lot and from reports, that is the thing he lacks the most. He does translate as a RP way better at the end of the day, but how much are they willing to spend on an RP?

The idea though makes complete sense to me and I wouldn't be against it at all, just wondering if that's the target or not.
 
The results of the MLB antibody test are finally in.

https://theathletic.com/1763139/2020...had-the-virus/

And for you that don't have a subscription to The Athletic, the gist of it is below

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The Stanford study that tested 5,603 MLB employees for the presence of COVID-19 antibodies found just 60 positive cases, the lead researcher said on Sunday. After adjusting for potential testing error, the researchers reported a positive rate of 0.7 percent.

The majority of those who tested positive were asymptomatic or had mild symptoms, said lead researcher Dr. Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford University.

“I was expecting a larger number of people to test positive,” Bhattacharya said. “These numbers indicate these numbers haven’t spread very far. But at the same time, we have had a zero percent mortality rate.”

Twenty-seven teams participated in the study, which included not only Major League Baseball players but ushers, ticket takers and hot dog vendors of all ages, races and genders. According to Bhattacharya, this study is also one of the first to include people living in dozens of cities across the country in its subject group. Anaheim had the highest infection rate, followed by the two New York teams — though Bhattacharya stressed that all of these teams recorded rates lower than the counties they play in. The subjects in the study were 60 percent male and 40 percent female. While the study did include stadium staff, Bhattacharya says the respondents skewed toward a higher socioeconomic demographic than the general U.S. population.

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I know Cincy opted out, not sure about Cleveland
 
jup said:
I think revenue sharing on a "large scale" is not realistic.

Think about it this way. The big bucks in owning a sports franchise is the capital gains. Buy the Yanks for 100 million and watch it climb to 100 billion. But that can only be achieved by having a revenue stream and brand that supports the value. If you start forcing "sharing" of that revenue stream, you set up a disincentive to ownership. Not sure how you get agreement by owners to that one on a "large scale".
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The only way is at the benefit of the smaller teams to the detriment of the larger teams. There seems to be more small or medium market teams than large market. What percentage of owners would need to agree to pass a cap and rev sharring? 51% 66.7%?
 
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