LackOfSkill
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I don't think the Cavs would even be able to find a trade out if they wanted to.
What you'll notice is that not a single one managed to combine a high FTr with a high percentage. The guys which have elite percentages like Hayes, Haliiburton, and Maxey only manage relatively mundane (or in Haliburton's case, dreadful) FTr numbers. The guys who really rack up the FT attempts, like Tyler Bey and Onyeka Okongwu are only mediocre FT shooters. There's nobody who is constantly getting to the line and also making them at a high rate.
I am not a huge LaMelo fan but I do think one positive shooting marker is that his mechanics from his high school years to now are demonstrably better. It would seem as he continues to get stronger, that they should continue to tighten up.
His small sample size of shooting wouldn't keep me from drafting him, that seems like something he can continue to learn to do.....I would also imagine shot selection improvement would immediately bump his percentages as well, assuming he is coachable.
The things that are pretty unique, relative to his size are his handle, vision and body control. I think his handle, similar to his shooting mechanics, is noticeably better than it was in high school as well.....if you just eyeball test his game tape.
I struggle with where to slot him in the draft. He's one of those guys I'd really like to see work out and participate at the combine but it is probably both unlikely there will even be one and if there is, probably even less likely he'll workout (outside of private ones).
How do you think drafting Ball would affect Sexton and Garland? Because garland didn't get to play a full season, and there's no way in hell I'd trade sexton because it looks like he gonna be an all-star.Lamelo to me doesn't actually have much of a bust potential because his playmaking and vision are so good. The problem is with his defense. He could easily be so bad thereto negate his impact. I just keep coming back to the fact he is the only one with Elite NBA skills in the top 5.
How do you think drafting Ball would affect Sexton and Garland? Because garland didn't get to play a full season, and there's no way in hell I'd trade sexton because it looks like he gonna be an all-star.
How do you think drafting Ball would affect Sexton and Garland? Because garland didn't get to play a full season, and there's no way in hell I'd trade sexton because it looks like he gonna be an all-star.
Yeah I totally agree with @daddywags. Lamelo is probably the best type of pg to pair with Sexton. The defense would not be great, but the offense would. Their skillsets totally mesh as opposed to Garland. You would have to send Garland to the bench or trade him. Lamelo is the better passer and might be a top 10 or at worst 15 passer in the league from day 1. Lamelo is more comfy off the ball, but can also be a primary initiator and his vision is on Trae Youngs level. He would find Sexton all the time, great at the outlet. All the vets woudl be really happy with ball IMO and they could probably live with his shoooting because of the other shooters in the starting lineup at least for the time being.
I like Garland a lot. He looks like he could have high upside to me, but he doesn't make sense with Sexton. The people that said "Why take Garland, there will be better backcourt pairings next year" were few and far between,but they were 100% right.
Ball
Hayes
and Haliburton
Are all great pairings with Sexton, with better size, better off the ball games, and except for Ball all are for sure better defenders than Garland. Garland may have more shooting upside, but he still has to prove that. Haliburton is a really good 3 pt shooter and likely shoots better than Garland. Hayes is not the shooter Garland is yet, but appears to have that upside.
It's really a shame. I still don't know who the right pick was at 5. I guess I would have to say Cam Reddish of all people. I was very scared of him because of his motor. He has shown effort and potential on D though and we could use that, and he has started benefitiing from spacing that seems to have helped his shot. As a 3 and D with great size, he would have been underwhelming with the 5th pick and KPJ would have outplayed him, but he would have fit and then we could have taken Ball, Haliburton, or Hayes. All of whom I think will be pretty good, but Ball and Hayes have some star potential.
Also, Sexton really messed up the teams plans by playing well with others and passing the ball at the end of the year. Now, moving him to the bench as 6th man is almost impossible. I think that Garland's role instead now. It's a bummer for a guy with his talent, but he just isn't an alpha like Collin, and Collin is a year ahead of being a year ahead of Garland. I'd say just as a ready now product, Garland is somewhere between the beginning and end Collin's rookie year level. I'd be very surprised if he starts next year.
Yeah, I hate to admit it but drafting a point guard at 5 last year may put us in an awkward position. Because IF we draft ball and he's looking like a star then that means we basically drafted a backup with that 5th pick. As for fit, I think Love, Nance, KPJ, and Drummond (if he's here) would thrive with Ball's court vision. The thing that kind of worries me about Lamelo though is his low 3pt percentage. This is the age of the 3 pt shot and he's has got to knock those down at a respectable clip. The defense is another issue but I think with his height and a good defensive coach he can be taught.
As for that 5th pick, hindsight is always 20/20, but I think we should have traded down for either Jaxson hayes or Hachimura.
It's really a shame. I still don't know who the right pick was at 5. I guess I would have to say Cam Reddish of all people.
I actually see the opposite of a high upside player.I read that Lamelo uses that horrible push shot because he was taking NBA 3's at age 8 and wasn't strong enough for your standard shot.
He does have touch and his ft% is 72% which is on the low end of "good".
One thing I have faith in our coaches is shooting. All of Cedi, Nance, and Collin have gotten significantly better, and there were big question marks on all 3 if they would ever be able to shoot the 3. Now they are 3 of our best shooters.
I think it is really hard to say if Lamelo is as bad a shooter as his stats suggest. He takes Curry type 3's really fast, and off the dribble with >15 sec on the clock. What I am trying to say is that his shot selection/shooting on the move may be worse than his shooting overall, but it is hard to say. Definitely a work in progress.
Totally agree that if he can't raise some of those horrible percentages, he is in trouble. I think he can shoot mid 30's on 3's. very tough call.
It's tough. I believe he has the highest ceiling in the draft and is the only guy who has any business going #1.
I personally thought it was Jaxson Hayes and had mentioned he was the guy in the middle of the lottery that had by far the best profile analytically. Pre-injury, I would have said Okeke......really interested to see how he does after healing up.
I liked Clarke as well but a trade back was in order if that was your guy......Hayes had the mix of athleticism, skill, potential and production you look for in the 5-8 area. I think he will end up being the big miss based on early returns. He was a +VORP player at a position that is tough to find, positive BPM, 2nd in win shares among rookies, in his age 19 year. He looked good in summer league, pre-season and was producing for a team competing for the playoffs. If his body fills out and his shooting range develops, ugh. That will be a tough one.
Garland flashed a bit more than I thought he would have, so it is possible he has value around the league. A good organization would course correct on that fit, seeing Sexton's growth IMO, so I'm curious to see what the Cavs do. I don't know if Garland could net a lottery pick in this draft but if he could, I would be tempted to move him and try to build a more complimentary piece around Sexton and our #1 pick.
Here is the lottery spread. Again, all the numbers I have are just one way to look at prospects.......it has been generally good but not the end all be all.....but you do see that Hayes really stood out of that middle group. The one thing that did manifest was foul concerns, which the per foul stats indicated might be a problem but the touch points across the board just indicated there was so much positive value in his profile.
I actually see the opposite of a high upside player.
I think LaMelo is a safe pick. He'll probably be a low-efficiency scorer so hopefully, he limits his volume, but his passing will play at a high level immediately.
I think the question you need to answer before taking him highly is what will he be on the defensive end?
Also, not that it really matters, but I would not consider 72% on the low end of good. That's just plain bad for a guard.
I don't think 72% gives any hope, but there are other reasons that you already mentioned to be more optimistic about his shot moving forward.72% is bad, you are right. I wouldn't say hopeless. For such a bad 3pt shooter it is in fact a little hopeful?
If he can shoot 33% from 3, and defend adequately though he will be an allstar I think. Those are big ifs for sure, but there is a pretty easy to envision path for him to be a star.
Which player has a more easily achieved upside in your opinion? I do think Edwards has that potential since he started basketball later and already came so far.