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My only issue with Wiseman is team defense and P n' R defense.

Again, this is a prime example of how badly the American youth system is failing basketball fans. This s a guy who was treated as a star centerpiece of an offense, and has no idea how to play a team game on offense. That is fixable, of course Andre Drummond is a cautionary tale of when it doesn't get fixed. On the other hand, Marquese Chris looked useless with the Cavs, then this season tightened up his game at age 22 and became at least useful. The lack of development outside of the narrow role AAU basketball coaches provide is staggering once a young player gets to the pros.

Defense is the big problem. I'd wager to guess his AAU coaches didn't want him to get into foul trouble, so he played some olé style team defense if the guard penetrates into the lane. This could have possibly been coached out of him as a 19 year old, but after a few games he was shut down.

So drafting Wiseman is drafting a set of tools, not drafting a player who helps the team from day one.

He could help a team who's established already, like GSW for example. It would just be a mess to have him as the centerpiece imho.
 
You are completely mistaken. Wiseman is not a switching big, and while he is pretty athletic and has tremendous wingspan he bobbles the ball way too frequently to be a high level lob target.

What makes him a better prospect than Ayton? probably nothing.

Big O is a switchable defender and he has good shot blocking instincts. They remind me of Jaren Jackson, but to me when compared to Jackson, he lacks the height and the length compared to JJ, and that makes me concerned about how it would transfer to the pros -- Like Tristan Thompson, it just never did. And Jaren Jackson while a good shot blocker in the NBA, he does not have nearly the same impact as he did in College. Also, aside from shot blocking, would his size limit his effectiveness battling starting NBA centers? I dunno. It could.

I just don't love selecting bigs unless they really stand out. Unfortunately we did not have the chance to watch them play for very long.
I get the switching part for WIseman as is, but HS tape suggests he is mobile enough to do it even though its not proven. I mean O is more proven hence the floor being higher.
O is already a lot better basketball player than TT is right now as a seasoned vet.
 
nope just a guess on max vert possible based on eye test and some scouting reports estimating 36-37" standing vert.https://www.thestepien.com/2020/02/10/onyeka-okongwu-scouting-report-2/

I mean, a 42" max vert would mean like a 150" max vertical reach, which I'm pretty sure would be a combine record. 38-39" (similar to Bam) seems more realistic.

I get the switching part for WIseman as is, but HS tape suggests he is mobile enough to do it even though its not proven. I mean O is more proven hence the floor being higher.
O is already a lot better basketball player than TT is right now as a seasoned vet.

I'm not all that high on TT, but this is a ridiculous claim. If you let Tristan loose against college kids in the Pac-12 he'd average 25/15 easy. Okongwu is a great prospect, but (as with all 19 year olds) he has a lot of work to do to reach his potential.
 
I mean, a 42" max vert would mean like a 150" max vertical reach, which I'm pretty sure would be a combine record. 38-39" (similar to Bam) seems more realistic.



I'm not all that high on TT, but this is a ridiculous claim. If you let Tristan loose against college kids in the Pac-12 he'd average 25/15 easy. Okongwu is a great prospect, but (as with all 19 year olds) he has a lot of work to do to reach his potential.
well the best max vertical leap in nba combine history was held by the goat MJ was leaping 48" man.
I know that is insane and rare but 42" is not insane and really not that rare when Okogie and Divincenzo both did it in 2018.
as far as big O vs TT. sure TT has the mass and experience. the point was Big O is clearly a higher iq big even at 19
 
Bottom line here is that you can't guess what happens at pre-draft measurements, you have to wait and see. From pictures, I think LaMelo is up 10 pounds of muscle, but I wouldn't claim it definitely happened until the NBA goes forward.
 
well the best max vertical leap in nba combine history was held by the goat MJ was leaping 48" man.
I know that is insane and rare but 42" is not insane and really not that rare when Okogie and Divincenzo both did it in 2018.
as far as big O vs TT. sure TT has the mass and experience. the point was Big O is clearly a higher iq big even at 19

Much rarer for centers to top 40"...can probably count all the examples on one hand. And Divincenzo's 42" was bullshit fwiw (his measured 8'1.5" standing reach is virtually impossible given his height/wingspan).

Saying Okongwu has a higher iq at 19 than TT now is so ridiculous I'm not even going to entertain it with a counterargument.
 
Anthony Edwards is the best prospect in this draft. Has the most tools (athleticism, shot creation, alpha mentality, measurables) to work with to become a star, and his weaknesses are mostly fixable (except feel). Would love for the cavs to get him in spite of sexton and garland. We need more talent than fit right now.
 
Anthony Edwards is the best prospect in this draft. Has the most tools (athleticism, shot creation, alpha mentality, measurables) to work with to become a star, and his weaknesses are mostly fixable (except feel). Would love for the cavs to get him in spite of sexton and garland. We need more talent than fit right now.

Shot creation as in jab step, jab step take a 3? :)
 
As with just about every prospect in this draft, I see the allure and I see the red flags quite clearly with Anthony Edwards.

He is not somebody I've fallen in love with, but I will say that I have some friends who are tight with Tom Crean and Georgia's program, and they swear by the kid. According to them, the majority of his issues came from being surrounded by a total lack of talent.

I don't know if I believe them to the extent they state it but I thought it was worth throwing out there.
 
As with just about every prospect in this draft, I see the allure and I see the red flags quite clearly with Anthony Edwards.

He is not somebody I've fallen in love with, but I will say that I have some friends who are tight with Tom Crean and Georgia's program, and they swear by the kid. According to them, the majority of his issues came from being surrounded by a total lack of talent.

I don't know if I believe them to the extent they state it but I thought it was worth throwing out there.

Definitely could be. I don't doubt that he would look quite a bit different on a better team.
But is he that good that you would try to make him fit with our guards? and how dangerous is that to project based on the film?
 
Definitely could be. I don't doubt that he would look quite a bit different on a better team.
But is he that good that you would try to make him fit with our guards? and how dangerous is that to project based on the film?
According to them, yes, he is that damn good. I have not seen that with my own eyes yet though. I'm just speaking to things I've heard.

Much like when Sexton was drafted, I was not a fan, but I did have a friend who coached against him in HS during the state semifinals that absolutely raved about his tenacity and work ethic.

I don't always agree or believe the things I hear from the people I know, but they have good enough basketball minds that I always find their tidbits worth mentioning on here.
 
Vassell to me is strictly a 3&D prospect. I don't see a star potential with his limitations/weaknesses.
definitely not likely given his lack of a handle, but when it comes to 2 way players that are reliable
core pieces he is defeinitely a safe pick, and if that 40+% 3 point shooting transfers to pair with his exceptional defensive chops he is probably worth it at 5 or 6 if our top targets are gone. Maybe they will be more interested in gambling on upsides , but seeing how much Vassell improved with Mann and Kab not longer there to eat up usage I think he could prove to have more upside than you think. the large % of his shooting was assisted though so he would probably have to prove he was more capable off the dribble before the draft to be a fit here over a few other wing options. I still like him the most among the wing options as a safe high floor pick, but that doesn't mean to suggest I think he has the highest upside, only the floor that justifies the selection over ending up with a potential bust.
 
definitely not likely given his lack of a handle, but when it comes to 2 way players that are reliable
core pieces he is defeinitely a safe pick, and if that 40+% 3 point shooting transfers to pair with his exceptional defensive chops he is probably worth it at 5 or 6 if our top targets are gone. Maybe they will be more interested in gambling on upsides , but seeing how much Vassell improved with Mann and Kab not longer there to eat up usage I think he could prove to have more upside than you think. the large % of his shooting was assisted though so he would probably have to prove he was more capable off the dribble before the draft to be a fit here over a few other wing options. I still like him the most among the wing options as a safe high floor pick, but that doesn't mean to suggest I think he has the highest upside, only the floor that justifies the selection over ending up with a potential bust.

He is so like Mikal Bridges it's not even funny. His ball handling and burst are severely lacking as well as his ability to finish inside. I really like his ability to play the passing lanes, he has quick hands and great anticipation and ability as far as shot blocking goes. But that almost always never makes a wing a star, but rather a high level role player. I also put emphasize on frame when looking for star talent at the wing position, and his frame is severely lacking.

I don't think at this point in time we need a high level role player. Hopefully.
 

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