2020 NBA Draft

WorldFreeB said:

I would love to see Sexton paired with a big guard that can be the playmaker,,,someone in here suggested Lonzo Ball I think?
That's the kind of player Sexton would thrive playing with. Ball could control the flow and Sexton could just explode and do his thing.

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...or, they could get Sexton to play off the bench (like many undersized SGs have done successfully)...or trade him to another team that hasn't realized he's an undersized SG...

I'm coming around to the idea of drafting one of the taller guards available if Cavs mgmt deems them the best player available when our name comes up. It would put additional pressure on Garland and in all likelihood stunt his growth, but it's really hard to imagine his value increasing significantly next season regardless of circumstances. We made it out of the '19 draft with KPJ (and hopefully Windler is a positive), which is enough for me. Just pretend KPJ was our lotto pick.

Kyrie wasn't known for his playmaking early on. Many considered him to be an undersized sg as well because he was such a good scorer.

If Sexton was 6'7", he'd be one of the best players in the league right now.

JJ_PR said:

Kyrie wasn't known for his playmaking early on. Many considered him to be an undersized sg as well because he was such a good scorer.

If Sexton was 6'7", he'd be one of the best players in the league right now.

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Kyrie... Interesting choice since the national media still mocks him four years later for his idiotic comments on the world being flat.

Step one: Click on Kyrie's stats.


Step two: Click on "advanced stats" and read his assist percentage and usage percentage.

Step three: Thank me profusely for ending this idiotic pursuit for proof you will never, ever find for an opinion you should no longer defend.

Randolphkeys said:

Kyrie... Interesting choice since the national media still mocks him four years later for his idiotic comments on the world being flat.

Step one: Click on Kyrie's stats.

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Step two: Click on "advanced stats" and read his assist percentage and usage percentage.

Step three: Thank me profusely for ending this idiotic pursuit for proof you will never, ever find for an opinion you should no longer defend.

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We need our Tim Duncan! Wise men take Wiseman.

JJ_PR said:

We need our Tim Duncan! Wise men take Wiseman.

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James Wiseman has been my choice for awhile (followed by Avdija, Okungwu, Edwards and Ball). As Randolphkeys mentioned a little while back, your posts are making me second guess myself.

I know this is a complete reverse of what I have been saying but I'm coming round to the idea of drafting Wiseman/Okongwu and giving sexton/garland one more season. If it goes to shit then we will be in the Cade Cunningham sweep stakes and if it doesnt we can pick up a wing in a loaded 2021 wing class

Sir'Dom Pointer said:

Sexton will never be Shai Gilgeous Alexander in my mind. The absolute goat.

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With CP3 and Denis Schröder on his team, SGA has been a full-time shooting guard with the Thunder. I think he is becoming a special one, though. His shooting numbers are extremely efficient and he hides CP3's eroding defense really well.

I have my list buried in this thread, but I have a top five I believe the Cavs are looking to add. August 20th we can get into specifics about the draft board.

I honestly have trust issues when it comes to our front office. They've had so many draft blunders it's not even funny. Giving Kevin Love 120m over 4 seasons doesn't help. Tristan over Kawhi, Waiters over Drummond. Rushing Bennett to the court when he was coming off a shoulder surgery certainly didn't help his development. Trading Wiggins for Love was questionable as well.

I know I'm gonna get flak for saying this, but I'd probably be a better gm than Altman. People saying we need to draft another point guard when we drafted Garland last year, that'd be a monumental mistake especially if Wiseman is available.

Garland had an assist percentage of 18.4. That isn't considerably better than Sexton. What's the excuse for that? They both played with the same teammates.

When you mention Sexton's poor 15.1 assist percentage this season, you forget to mention that in his sophomore season he had to play next to a ball dominant, pass first pg that handled most of the playmaking duties. What would Sexton's assist percentage be had he been the primary facilitator seeing how he improved in every other category?

JJ_PR said:

I know I'm gonna get flack for saying this, but I'd probably be a better gm than Altman.

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Since you just blamed Altman for a bunch of moves Chris Grant and David Griffin made, I'm not sure you are qualified to post here. Or work at McDonald's.

We ban trolls in the free section. Clean it up.

Randolphkeys said:

Since you just blamed Altman for a bunch of moves Chris Grant and David Griffin made, I'm not sure you are qualified to post here. Or work at McDonald's.

We ban trolls in the free section. Clean it up.

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Was gonna say the same thing.

JJ_PR said:

I honestly have trust issues when it comes to our front office. They've had so many draft blunders it's not even funny. Giving Kevin Love 120m over 4 seasons doesn't help. Tristan over Kawhi, Waiters over Drummond. Rushing Bennett to the court when he was coming off a shoulder surgery certainly didn't help his development. Trading Wiggins for Love was questionable as well.

I know I'm gonna get flack for saying this, but I'd probably be a better gm than Altman. People saying we need to draft another point guard when we drafted Garland last year, that'd be a monumental mistake especially if Wiseman is available.

Garland had an assist percentage of 18.4. That isn't considerably better than Sexton. What's the excuse for that? They both played with the same teammates.

When you mention Sexton's poor 15.1 assist percentage this season, you forget to mention that in his sophomore season he had to play next to a ball dominant, pass first pg that handled most of the playmaking duties. What would Sexton's assist percentage be had he been the primary facilitator seeing how he improved in every other category?

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This has got to be a Secret Mod Troll account designed to stir up conversation.

No other way to explain this post and several others over the past week.

This relates more to the 2019 draft and general draft strategy but even before the shutdown in March and now in he first two games back, Cameron Johnson has been playing really well for the Suns.

Have we gotten to the point we’re we punish/downgrade players TOO much for being older or staying at major schools for 3-4 years?

Not saying he should have been drafted higher but the Suns took a lot of flak for trading for him and a lot of people did question his draft position.

Any thoughts about this, especially from our resident draft modeling guys like @I’mWithDan and @Nathan S

How did your models view a guy like Johnson last year?

MirORich said:

This relates more to the 2019 draft and general draft strategy but even before the shutdown in March and now in he first two games back, Cameron Johnson has been playing really well for the Suns.

Have we gotten to the point we’re we punish/downgrade players TOO much for being older or staying at major schools for 3-4 years?

Not saying he should have been drafted higher but the Suns took a lot of flak for trading for him and a lot of people did question his draft position.

Any thoughts about this, especially from our resident draft modeling guys like @I’mWithDan and @Nathan S

How did your models view a guy like Johnson last year?

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My model gave Cam a +0.3 offensive rating (very solid for a late lottery wing), but a -1.8 defensive rating (among the worst out of all wings). His age hurt him some, but what really hurt him was his lackluster defensive stats. Defense is notoriously tough to judge through box score stats alone, of course, but that's something to keep in mind when evaluating him.

If I used my draft rater to project rookie year impact instead of peak impact, upperclassmen would rise and teenagers would tank, and that's certainly reflected in reality (older "NBA-ready" prospects are indeed more NBA-ready). In the long run, though, it expects the elite youngsters to outpace most of their older counterparts. All-Rookie 1st teams are littered with upperclassmen who went on to have solid but unremarkable careers, while all-time greats like KG and Kobe (and more recently PG, Harden, and Giannis) only made the 2nd team.

That said, I think my draft rater has a pretty healthy mix of players it likes. This year it's a fan of Malachi Flynn, Mason Jones, Xavier Tillman, Paul Reed, Luka Garza, and Desmond Bane among older prospects, all of whom fall in the late lottery - late first round on my board.

Randolphkeys said:

Since you just blamed Altman for a bunch of moves Chris Grant and David Griffin made, I'm not sure you are qualified to post here. Or work at McDonald's.

We ban trolls in the free section. Clean it up.

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Just because I don't agree with the majority doesn't mean I'm trolling. If we want to build a championship team, it starts with ball movement & good defense. Our pg doesn't need to have great assist percentages to be effective.

Just my opinion of course. We have different views on the game of basketball. I respect your views, I suppose I expect the same.