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The elephant in the room is can the USA get COVID under control. I don't see any indication that it can? That's out of the power of the NBA.
Even if a vaccine is available in January, a very small percentage of people will be able to get it early. That leads me to wonder how big a crowd will be able, and willing, to go watch an indoor sport like the NBA.
 
Even if a vaccine is available in January, a very small percentage of people will be able to get it early. That leads me to wonder how big a crowd will be able, and willing, to go watch an indoor sport like the NBA.

Yeah I think people think it will continue to get better, but we are already seeing it get worse. The countries that are doing the best are still having issues now that it is getting colder and people are heading indoors. Maybe people will be ok wearing masks to games, but there is going to be an enthusiasm for going to games issue.

I'd personally be ok with paying extra for league pass this year. Like 100 dollars. It seems like a lot, but I only go to 1 game a year and I would spend that there easily. However, I am not going to any games any time soon because I don't have to.
 
The elephant in the room is can the USA get COVID under control. I don't see any indication that it can? That's out of the power of the NBA.


Especially, when cases are going up around the world...
 
Anyone think the Cavs will do anything else after the 5th pick.
 
Nance is always working on his game. Last year in the off-season he added a three-point shot. Reportedly he took 20,000 shots. That's dedication. This off-season he's working on his agility and footwork in anticipation of playing more at the 3 in the "supersized" lineup that was so successful last season in brief trial runs.

In five March games, with head coach J.B. Bickerstaff utilizing Nance as a small forward at various points, he was averaging 15.6 points on 55.4% shooting and 45% from 3-point range to go with 7.8 rebounds and 4.4 assists. - Chris Fedor

The Nance-Love-Drummond combination played eight games, averaging almost eight minutes on the floor. They averaged 20.5 points and 8.5 rebounds, along with a +/- of 6.3. - Kelsey Russo


Let me highlight that number. A +6.3 points in eight minutes. Give that grouping 32 minutes a game and that's a +25.

I said to our staff, “In the future, we’ve got to try and maximize as many minutes as we can for Larry Nance.” He does so many intangible things for the team. He gets 50/50 rebounds, he makes the next pass... When he was injured that hurt us a lot. And when he’s played a lot of minutes, we’ve been pretty good usually. - John Beilein

Just (a) gritty, tough winner. That’s all you can see, even when the ball wasn’t going in. When he isn’t doing well on offense, he will take it out on his defender and come out and play better (defense). Some people won’t do that. If the offense isn’t clicking, they’re still thinking about it at the other end. Larry [Nance Jr] is just such a key part of this team, of this culture, of our future. - Beilein, 12/7/19


Beilein isn't around anymore but I think management sees Nance the same way he did. I see why the Cavaliers extended Nance's contract for three years at $41 million and why the Celtics are trying to get him. Any team in the league would want this guy. The poster who said Nance doesn't care about how the team does could not be more wrong. It's exactly the opposite - he's all about the team. If anything he passes too much when he should be shooting more. Just an extremely unselfish and hard working player who gets better every year. He's a core building block due to his talent, his leadership, his unselfishness, his willingness to pass and play defense, and his versatility to play three different positions.

Trading Nance would be something of a betrayal to him and to the fans. I can't see them seriously considering it unless A) they're in love with Wiseman, and B) the trade would get them Wiseman and the #14 pick.

I would go a step further and consider starting Nance at PF, and bringing Love of the bench for the remainder of his contract. I suppose that isn't realistic in today's NBA due to salary considerations, but it would most likely improve the starting lineup and the bench.
 
Anyone think the Cavs will do anything else after the 5th pick.
My crystal ball sees a trade. The #5 pick by itself may not be that valuable. But packaged with a player could bring a valuable piece. There's just too many coaches changing seats for some rosters to stay the same. As for names, the ball is just too cloudy.
 
Hard to trade Larry. I like him so much, and I think he really made a leap last year, especially feeling comfy on the perimeter.

Hayward is not the same player, and I am not sure he can play big minutes ever again.

I like Langford a little, might be worth it. The decision on what to pay Hayward is tough. Hard to believe he is just 2 years younger than Love.

He might be 2 years from being done is what I am worried about.

I agree that Hayward shouldn't be seen as a future piece. If they are willing to give him up for Nance, they would be saying they don't believe Hayward can stay healthy.

I do think Nance makes alot of sense for the original proposed trade for the Celtics, Kanter for Nance makes alot of sense for them. He adds versatility and gives insurance if Theis leaves.

The Celtics can give up more and should for Nance. I believe they would be willing to give up Langford and a draft pick for him. They just have too many young players and draft picks at this time for there roster. They won't be able to develop someone like Langford because of the players infront of him on their depth chart.

For the Cavs, I would understand moving Nance. Another teams can take advantage of Nance's versatility and really use him. That could bring good value back. I don't think they Cavs really have the roster to utilize him right. Nance will be 28 at the start of next season.

If they trade Nance away, I could see it as a domino to fall to really reshaping the roster. Adding #14 in the draft could allow us to do alot of things in the draft. #5 and #14 should make it real easy to trade up. If we don't trade up, it could open up the possibility of taking Toppin at #5 and a wing at #14. Maybe we can trade up from #14 with some 2nd round picks to get our preferred wing.
 
I agree that Hayward shouldn't be seen as a future piece. If they are willing to give him up for Nance, they would be saying they don't believe Hayward can stay healthy.

I do think Nance makes alot of sense for the original proposed trade for the Celtics, Kanter for Nance makes alot of sense for them. He adds versatility and gives insurance if Theis leaves.

The Celtics can give up more and should for Nance. I believe they would be willing to give up Langford and a draft pick for him. They just have too many young players and draft picks at this time for there roster. They won't be able to develop someone like Langford because of the players infront of him on their depth chart.

For the Cavs, I would understand moving Nance. Another teams can take advantage of Nance's versatility and really use him. That could bring good value back. I don't think they Cavs really have the roster to utilize him right. Nance will be 28 at the start of next season.

If they trade Nance away, I could see it as a domino to fall to really reshaping the roster. Adding #14 in the draft could allow us to do alot of things in the draft. #5 and #14 should make it real easy to trade up. If we don't trade up, it could open up the possibility of taking Toppin at #5 and a wing at #14. Maybe we can trade up from #14 with some 2nd round picks to get our preferred wing.

Hayward gives us a legit wing. He could probably be our leading scorer next season.
 
My crystal ball sees a trade. The #5 pick by itself may not be that valuable. But packaged with a player could bring a valuable piece. There's just too many coaches changing seats for some rosters to stay the same. As for names, the ball is just too cloudy.


I seriously doubt they'll trade the 5th pick. It wouldn't make sense to do it unless you're getting a first and second with a really good player or a couple of second rounders with a really good player.
 
Hayward gives us a legit wing. He could probably be our leading scorer next season.

I didn't explain myself well. What I meant is if the Celtics are willing to give up Hayward for Nance, we need to be real skeptical of his health. I don't question how good of a player Hayward is but if the Celtics are giving him up, it probably means they won't trust that he is going to stay healthy. Health would be the reason why I wouldn't look at him as a long term piece.

I believe a Kanter, Langford, and #14 would be more realistic for what the Cavs should shoot for if they engage the Celtics on a trade. Switching Kanter for Nance allows the celtics to really committee to a switch everything style of play. Their big center can be Robert Williams and Theis/Nance can be their other rotational bigs. They probably are much more willing to give up a young player and draft pick for Nance than Hayward if they believe Hayward can stay healthy. Hayward, Tatum, and Brown give them alot of versatility at the wing position.
 
I didn't explain myself well. What I meant is if the Celtics are willing to give up Hayward for Nance, we need to be real skeptical of his health. I don't question how good of a player Hayward is but if the Celtics are giving him up, it probably means they won't trust that he is going to stay healthy. Health would be the reason why I wouldn't look at him as a long term piece.

I believe a Kanter, Langford, and #14 would be more realistic for what the Cavs should shoot for if they engage the Celtics on a trade. Switching Kanter for Nance allows the celtics to really committee to a switch everything style of play. Their big center can be Robert Williams and Theis/Nance can be their other rotational bigs. They probably are much more willing to give up a young player and draft pick for Nance than Hayward if they believe Hayward can stay healthy. Hayward, Tatum, and Brown give them alot of versatility at the wing position.
Yeah, I agree with you with being extra cautious dealing with Boston... Cavs do not want IT part 2, getting a player that is just not right physically... That would be a bad look for the Cavs front office being duped twice by Danny Ainge...
 
Gilbert is very impatient and I'm sure he wants to start winning games now. I would be really shocked if they consider dealing Nance for the 14th pick in this mediocre draft. I can see them dealing the 5th pick before going down that route tbh. Anything can happen but Nance really likes playing here which you can't say for alot of these guys. They can't deal all their vets for more draft picks. At some point you have to keep some of your guys for the lockerroom or you end up like the '90s Clippers.
With that said I do hope they can somehow acquire a late first/early 2nd and take a flyer on someone like they did with KPJ last year...I would not give up Nance to do it though. Any team in the league could use LNJ due to his versatility...heck even the Lakers could plug and play Larry immediately.
 
IF Gilbert is impatient, the Cavs will have to do what the Lakers did - target a superstar, and give your everything to bring him here. Unfortunately, the "everything" Cavs can afford, might not be enough to bring a real game-changer. Plus, the Cleveland is not a place that veteran FAs will want to play in.
But, who knows! Some big names might be traded this offseason that may include some from the Rockets and Sixers' roster. Getting Westbrook or Simmons (better of the two, imo) without giving up on Love might get us to the playoffs.
But I believe that if we draft well, and let this team mature for a year, that will bring really good dividends in the next season.
 
There should be a “super duper max” where you can pay any individual player an unlimited amount of money but only a certain percent counts against the cap. Maybe some of these small markets could keep a star.
 

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