Was kind of waiting for someone to run with that one...would have guessed @Lee or @bob2the2nd , but well done.You're taking the wrong PED.
Oh I don't have much sympathy for them, don't get me wrong, but you also can't ignore what they did. Barry Bonds turned from a contender for top 25 all time into a video game creation, numbers that probably will never be able to be matched. McGwire crushed a hallowed record and is arguably the greatest pure power hitter of all time. I just don't think we can pretend they didn't exist, that we didn't enjoy the hell out of it, and that the numbers didn't happen because they did. That's why I think one year, no real ceremony, usher in that group all at once and call it a day.
No PED guys for me still. Standing by that.
Of this group, I'm honestly only voting Wagner. One of the (the?) best lefty relievers of all time. Absolutely filthy at his peak. One of six guys with at least 400 saves, and one of only two lefties (John Franco).
Helton, Rolen, Jones, all Hall of Very, Very Good guys. Vizquel would've gotten the nod, but the recent DV allegations have tainted him.
Also let Pete Rose in, so my ballot is Wagner and Rose.
No way Bonds, Clemens, Sosa or Omar should EVER be elected to the HOF!
PED Stars and Abusers should never get in!
No way Bonds, Clemens, Sosa or Omar should EVER be elected to the HOF!
PED Stars and Abusers should never get in!
Yes, I know there are plenty of low character guys in the HOF, goes without saying.You know there is a fair amount of baseball players in the Hall that were abusers in real life correct? Mantle wasn't a good man when he drank and he drank often... Omar also hasnt been proven guilty of anything yet, just charged. I will wait until once the trial is up to say one way or the other.
Yes, I know there are plenty of low character guys in the HOF, goes without saying.
But while Mantle was a drinker and a party guy, at least he didn’t do PED’s to get to the Hall. And anyone else who is in the Hall that did PED’s has no business there.
As for Omar, I loved him as a player, but way too much smoke about his abuse issues.
The question is what was the percentage of people taking PEDs, both hitters and pitchers and if both sides took it in heavy amounts, wouldn't that make the playing field even?
It is, I imagine, shockingly high. I assume players of all sports who use or have used routinely is nearly 100%. The potential results are simply irresistible, and the peer pressure astronomical.
Then the biggest question is, if both sides used it, then are the numbers unfair? Should the best players from the Era get voted in or no since its likely majority where using it.
The unfair numbers "competition" only exists between eras, but that's exactly what the Hall is about.
The decisions can't be arrived at objectively, only subjectively.
This means that virtually Everything is "Fair".
It's the Hall of "Fame". It's not part of MLB. It's under the control of the creators of "fame": the media. (Sports media in this case, a certainly dubious judge)
If you're famous you go in... unless you embarrass them. Skill and success aren't a large part of the equation.