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2020-21 Offseason Discussion

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Oh, I should have specified that the party of the second part was employer and/or coworker. Surely there is a severe penalty in store for those who tacitly approve of this behavior. Exile perhaps, or incarceration.
 
BimboColesHair said:
The only situations that ever came to light within the franchise in his time here were consented is the problem.

With the Indians he kept everything he did outside of the organization. Only when it became a problem within the organization or potentially cause a public scene did he get any sort of reprimand.

He didn't go after media members in his time here, like he is accused of doing in NY. For one, the Indians have a very male heavy work environment, including in the media. 2, for better or worse, Tito kept him at bay a good bit.

People heard he was a cheat and a sleaze outside of the organization, and his verbal behavior was unsavory at times when at work, but by all accounts that was all that was known about him when he was here. And again, I cannot state this enough, having multiple consensual affairs and saying unsavory things is not enough to investigate or fire or "cover up".

Nothing we have heard at all around this whole situation, not just including what we have just heard today, tells me he was known to be sexually harassing people prior to his time in NY. I'm sure he did with the power of hindsight, but if the organization never knows about it at the time and all they do know is he cheats on his wife and says vulgar things, what can they investigate?

It's a shitty situation, sure, but I don't see what the Indians could have done considering what was known at the time. You investigate or fire a guy on the grounds of having an affair with another consensual partner that was private for 6 years or saying vulgar things I'm sure you are opening a can of worms to get sued.
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"He only acted like a creep on his personal time when he was with the Indians and only started acting like a creep on work time after he got to the Mets." is certainly an interesting defense you're pushing here.

The odds that the Indians were actually completely blindsided by these allegations as they claim to be just seems remarkably slim.

Maybe the organization will end up having *just* enough plausible deniability to get out of this mess without heads having to roll, but we'll see what happens.
 
CBBI said:
"He only acted like a creep on his personal time when he was with the Indians and only started acting like a creep on work time after he got to the Mets." is certainly an interesting defense you're pushing here.

The odds that the Indians were actually completely blindsided by these allegations as they claim to be just seems remarkably slim.

Maybe the organization will end up having *just* enough plausible deniability to get out of this mess without heads having to roll, but we'll see what happens.
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The issue is whether the Indians FO were aware of all of those incidents, or just some of them, and exactly when they became aware of each one. Some of them are just horny dude, and some involving co-employees clearly crossed a line. Even then, you don't necessarily fire the guy after the first over the line incident. Usually counseling and a formal warning, depending on severity. Firing may be justified after repeat offenses, or even one really bad one.

I'm not sure we have a clear picture of all that yet, and until we do, I wouldn't throw the FO under the bus.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
The issue is whether the Indians FO were aware of all of those incidents, or just some of them, and exactly when they became aware of each one. Some of them are just horny dude, and some involving co-employees clearly crossed a line.

I'm not sure we have a clear picture of all that yet.
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I agree with you. And I am in full support of an independent investigation to find out the exact truth. If an investigation proves the Indians truly didn't know, then great.

It's just tough to not roll your eyes at the Indians organization expressing shock and disgust that at these allegations when they've known Callaway at best has had creep tendencies for years and years.
 
The Indians were not blindsided by this... However, due to the results they were getting, etc. they were OK with it. That's what gives it a Sandusky stink, despite the obvious differences. It is just bad no matter how you color it or try to rationalize it. If Terry told the FO to ditch him, or our pitching cratered, I would be willing to bet they would have fired his ass in a flash.


I think it is time for Terry to go myself.
 
CBBI said:
"He only acted like a creep on his personal time when he was with the Indians and only started acting like a creep on work time after he got to the Mets." is certainly an interesting defense you're pushing here.

The odds that the Indians were actually completely blindsided by these allegations as they claim to be just seems remarkably slim.

Maybe the organization will end up having *just* enough plausible deniability to get out of this mess without heads having to roll, but we'll see what happens.
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Did he break the law?

If he didnt break the law should his employer have the ability to fire him for doing non-illegal activities?

Should his employer face consequences for not firing their employee that wasnt breaking the law?

I know a dude that is a total fucking dog. Bangs everything that walks; fat, skinny, short, tall, old, younger (still legal). i know for a fact this dude sends dick pics to chicks all the time. However, he is a great employee, nice to everyone, treats everyone with respect and his professional life and his personal life are completely and totally separated. Should i report him to HR because he fucks a lot?
 
From what I can tell about Callaway situation is the FO is saying they never got enough info to actually fire the guy and the info that they got was only from the consensual actions. You cannot do anything if the women is being consensual with Callaway.

The other info was probably just rumored to be happening but nothing was proven to the upper management at the time. So either they just had a blind eye to it and didn't care to do anything about it or someone lower in the organization/in HR made sure it just never moved up info wise.

In my mind, someone is at fault since Callaway definitely should have gotten in trouble for the situation, but someone either hide things or put a blind eye to it. Hopefully it wasn't Antonetti and/or Francona at the end of the day.
 
CBBI said:
I agree with you. And I am in full support of an independent investigation to find out the exact truth. If an investigation proves the Indians truly didn't know, then great.

It's just tough to not roll your eyes at the Indians organization expressing shock and disgust that at these allegations when they've known Callaway at best has had creep tendencies for years and years.
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If it's that they knew he cheated on his wife, I can get past it. I don't like it, but the reality is that more players/coaches are unfaithful than otherwise.

If they knew he was doing things like sending unsolicited graphic photos and sexually harassing women and kept him around, I'm all for a complete housecleaning.

We know the first happened, but the second is just speculation either way right now. The Athletic said no formal reports were filed to them, so we'll see if anything comes out of the MLB investigation and/or if any further evidence comes out.
 
Criznit said:
The Indians were not blindsided by this... However, due to the results they were getting, etc. they were OK with it. That's what gives it a Sandusky stink, despite the obvious differences. It is just bad no matter how you color it or try to rationalize it. If Terry told the FO to ditch him, or our pitching cratered, I would be willing to bet they would have fired his ass in a flash.


I think it is time for Terry to go myself.
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Comparing the situation with "Dick Pic Mick" to a serial child-rapist in Sandusky is beyond absurd.
 
Criznit said:
The Indians were not blindsided by this... However, due to the results they were getting, etc. they were OK with it. That's what gives it a Sandusky stink, despite the obvious differences. It is just bad no matter how you color it or try to rationalize it. If Terry told the FO to ditch him, or our pitching cratered, I would be willing to bet they would have fired his ass in a flash.


I think it is time for Terry to go myself.
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FFS can you wait to see what the actual truth might be before you go on your righteous, white horse vendetta? Nobody thinks anymore highly of you because you're quick to conclude guilt. Quite the opposite in fact. Just say you hope that this speculation isn't true and if it happens to be, that it is handled accordingly. That's something I think we can all agree on.

Nobody gives a fuck if you think it's time for Terry to go and if it comes to light that he is not guilty of any wrongdoing you're going to look like a social justice warrior dipshit.

I'm sorry if I'm coming across harshly, but it drives me nuts when people get smeared on social media and we don't know all of the facts/truth. In the end, you may be right, but I fail to see how determining guilt immediately and firing someone before knowing is doing the "right thing". It screams "I have a cause" and facts aren't important. Those kind of people can fuck off IMO.
 
CDAV45 said:
FFS can you wait to see what the actual truth might be before you go on your righteous, white horse vendetta? Nobody thinks anymore highly of you because you're quick to conclude guilt. Quite the opposite in fact. Just say you hope that this speculation isn't true and if it happens to be, that it is handled accordingly. That's something I think we can all agree on.

Nobody gives a fuck if you think it's time for Terry to go and if it comes to light that he is not guilty of any wrongdoing you're going to look like a social justice warrior dipshit.

I'm sorry if I'm coming across harshly, but it drives me nuts when people get smeared on social media and we don't know all of the facts/truth. In the end, you may be right, but I fail to see how determining guilt immediately and firing someone before knowing is doing the "right thing". It screams "I have a cause" and facts aren't important. Those kind of people can fuck off IMO.
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Calm down... Your perception is likely the issue..

I'm not the one calling it the "worst kept secret in the organization". I will wait for the investigation of course and just like you, decide how fucked it really is. But right now, not a fan of Terry. Not a fan of the FO. This fucking franchise needs a facelift, that's my opinion and not sorry that grinds your gears...

All I did was read some free articles, and all of them make sure to mention what seems even more alarming to me. That his behavior was known and tolerated.

From MLBTradeRumors:

Callaway himself was contacted for a quote on the story, wherein he acknowledged multiple “infidelities” but called much of the reporting around his actions “inaccurate” and pushed back against the idea that he has ever “[used] his position to harass or pressure a woman.”

The Athletic report should be read in its entirety in order to fully grasp not only the alarming and inappropriate nature of Callaway’s alleged behavior but also the mounting number of troubling indications that many around him were, to varying degrees, aware of the issue.
 
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