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Browns 2021 Off-Season Thread

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What Position Should the Browns Focus On Improving?

  • Wide Receiver

    Votes: 6 4.5%

  • Defensive End/Edge

    Votes: 47 35.6%

  • Defensive Tackle

    Votes: 14 10.6%

  • Cornerbacks!

    Votes: 14 10.6%

  • Safeties

    Votes: 14 10.6%

  • DBs in General

    Votes: 59 44.7%

  • Linebacker Corps

    Votes: 70 53.0%

  • Leg-Related Special Teams Personnel

    Votes: 3 2.3%

  • Maine Coon

    Votes: 6 4.5%

  • Norwegian Forest Cat

    Votes: 5 3.8%
  • Total voters
    132
bob2the2nd said:
like i pointed out yesterday.... production for example. Njoku was extremely unproductive last year.
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Hooper wasn't terribly productive either. Our top three tight ends didn't even combine for a thousand yards, and it was one of our strongest position groups.

I just don't think our scheme is designed to get the ball to the TE most of the time, although we often seemed to rely on Njoku or Hooper when we needed a first down.
 
Jack Brickman said:
Hooper wasn't terribly productive either. Our top three tight ends didn't even combine for a thousand yards, and it was one of our strongest position groups.

I just don't think our scheme is designed to get the ball to the TE most of the time, although we often seemed to rely on Njoku or Hooper when we needed a first down.
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Hooper is a pile of unseasoned mashed potatoes without gravy. He's 'meh.'

Bryant is inconsistent. That ability is there, but the drops, gaffes, and fumbles have to stop or he won't be in this league.

Njoku appeared to be in the dog house most of the year, between his trade demands and track record, but was still our best tight end, both in terms of blocking and pass catching.

We'll be better off if we can figure the position out. I just don't think it's likely. It's an area of concern I have right now.
 
Out of the Rafters at the Q said:
Hooper is a pile of unseasoned mashed potatoes without gravy. He's 'meh.'

Bryant is inconsistent. That ability is there, but the drops, gaffes, and fumbles have to stop or he won't be in this league.

Njoku appeared to be in the dog house most of the year, between his trade demands and track record, but was still our best tight end.

We'll be better off if we can figure the position out. I just don't think it's likely. It's an area of concern I have right now.
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There are some really good TE prospects in this draft. And that's not even taking Pitts into account since he'll be gone well before our first pick.
 
Stefanski saying he’s unaware of anything with David was absolutely hilarious. I don’t know man, he might be whiney in the locker room and complains to the coaching staff or something but that’s nothing but conjecture
 
Jack Brickman said:
Hooper wasn't terribly productive either. Our top three tight ends didn't even combine for a thousand yards, and it was one of our strongest position groups.

I just don't think our scheme is designed to get the ball to the TE most of the time, although we often seemed to rely on Njoku or Hooper when we needed a first down.
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I feel like people forgot that Hooper battled two injuries last season. His neck injury opened the door for Njoku to get some extra snaps but limited Hooper's effectiveness. The appendicitis is just a freak way to miss games, and terrible luck.

Hooper was brought in to fill a very specific role: In-line tight end who blocks and leaks out into soft spots in the defense. That's hard to do at your best when you have a neck injury and a core muscle surgery. Incidentally, Njoku has never relished that role, preferring to be a move tight end.

Let's give it another season before casting him off.
 
Am I the only one that thought hooper was really starting the play well the last 4 weeks of the season? It felt like he was finally healthy and started getting a nice connection with Baker. These were his last 5 games. Obviously hooper isn’t Kelce that’s going to get you 100 yards receiving but these are solid numbers outside of the KC game D163F869-3CFF-4490-AE6E-EA1A26E09D0B.jpeg
 
Randolphkeys said:
I feel like people forgot that Hooper battled two injuries last season. His neck injury opened the door for Njoku to get some extra snaps but limited Hooper's effectiveness. The appendicitis is just a freak way to miss games, and terrible luck.

Hooper was brought in to fill a very specific role: In-line tight end who blocks and leaks out into soft spots in the defense. That's hard to do at your best when you have a neck injury and a core muscle surgery. Incidentally, Njoku has never relished that role, preferring to be a move tight end.

Let's give it another season before casting him off.
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But, that's too rational.

I want to say "I TOLD YOU SO" now!

Even if we don't have a better option to fill the role Hooper currently occupies.

Also, please just ignore the fact that the coaching staff played Hooper ahead of both Njoku and Bryant.

Furthermore, don't ask me to explain how Stefanski is a fantastic coach and I have the utmost confidence in him, while simultaneously claiming he played the worse tight end.
 
Bkerr02 said:
Am I the only one that thought hooper was really starting the play well the last 4 weeks of the season? It felt like he was finally healthy and started getting a nice connection with Baker. These were his last 5 games. Obviously hooper isn’t Kelce that’s going to get you 100 yards receiving but these are solid numbers outside of the KC game View attachment 5151
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He was awful in the Jets game. That was the last straw for me.
 
Out of the Rafters at the Q said:
But, that's too rational.

I want to say "I TOLD YOU SO" now!

Even if we don't have a better option to fill the role Hooper currently occupies.

Also, please just ignore the fact that the coaching staff played Hooper ahead of both Njoku and Bryant.

Furthermore, don't ask me to explain how Stefanski is a fantastic coach and I have the utmost confidence in him, while simultaneously claiming he played the worse tight end.
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The best you are going to get from me is rational. My pompous, high-horse comparison of "in-line" and "move" tight end raw stats was retracted out of respect.
 
bob2the2nd said:
what his 15 targets and 7 receptions dont stand out to you as a great game?
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I'll open with stating that I understand this is sarcasm. I'm not directly responding to you, more using this as a way to say more in general:

If you haven't figured it out yet, I don't care, at all, for stats. They don't accurately reflect a player's ability to contribute in the future.

There was one specific play where Hooper was supposed to sit down between two zones. I think Baker was rolling out to the left side of the field, and targeted him.

Baker threw it exactly where Hooper should have been.

Hooper decided to continue running full-speed into the next zone.

This left the pass behind him, making it an incompletion, and got Hooper hit by the defender for no reason.

Finding soft spots in zones was supposed to be Hooper's best attribute from Atlanta.

This was the play that killed any Hooper optimism I still had that maybe I was wrong about him.
 
bob2the2nd said:
what his 15 targets and 7 receptions dont stand out to you as a great game?
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Failing to factor in the decimated wide receiver room (COVID-19 outbreak) for the Jets game is making you look bad, not Hooper.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Failing to factor in the decimated wide receiver room (COVID-19 outbreak) for the Jets game is making you look bad, not Hooper.
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What I would argue the other way. In a game the browns needed their top paid TE to show up the most he decidedly didnt show up, even when force fed the ball
 
bob2the2nd said:
What I would argue the other way. In a game the browns needed their top paid TE to show up the most he decidedly didnt show up, even when force fed the ball
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Star in your role. Do you get pissed at Jarrett Allen when the Cavs need a three pointer? Again, looking to raw receiving yard stats for an in-line tight end, failing to factor in the role he plays, just isn't an enlightened way to assess his play.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Star in your role. Do you get pissed at Jarrett Allen when the Cavs need a three pointer? Again, looking to raw receiving yard stats for an in-line tight end, failing to factor in the role he plays, just isn't an enlightened way to assess his play.
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Right, but Hooper is a top 4 paid TE in the NFL. The browns need a lot more out of him than to be a role player and only pulling in less than half of your targets in a game when a team needs you the most, isnt going to cut it. I went looking but couldnt find any stats, i also believe he had 2 drops that game.
 
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