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jup said:
On June 19, 2016, during a season when Callaway would play an important role in helping the Indians reach the World Series, the woman who went on road trips with Callaway received a text message that included a shirtless photo from Callaway taken inside a clubhouse. He was wearing an Indians cap.

“What are you doing right now? Let me see u. I am headed out soon for (a) game,” part of the text message read.

In late 2016 or early 2017, he sent an unsolicited full-frontal nude picture of himself in a locker room to the friend of another woman he was involved with sexually, according to someone who saw the photo and asked about it. The friend worked in the Indians organization at the time.

As The Athletic previously reported, Callaway also sent a former Indians employee suggestive messages on LinkedIn in late December 2015. He also had made a pass at her on the field during the season.

None of the women who interacted with Callaway during his time in Cleveland reported these interactions through any official channels.
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Welp, there ya go. If it didn't go through any official channels then it is a nothing burger. I'm glad he's gone and that others have to deal with him now. Water under the bridge so can we move on now?
 
Criznit said:
That's too bad. He can be polarizing, but the dude knows his stuff.
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I'm not usually one to assume anything, but I do wonder how much enjoyment Jup is getting out of this. He's hated MC for years and now what was a good thread about Cleveland baseball is hijacked with MC dic pic talk with all the fucking buzzards are hovering overhead.
 
CDAV45 said:
I'm not usually one to assume anything, but I do wonder how much enjoyment Jup is getting out of this. He's hated MC for years and now what was a good thread about Cleveland baseball is hijacked with MC dic pic talk with all the fucking buzzards are hovering overhead.
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So you are a fan of renaming the team to the Cleveland Buzzards too????
 
shoes22 said:
Francona’s son sure seems to think they did something wrong...
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He's a social media warrior on more than one front. Who his father is doesn't make him credible. Not about this, or anything else for that matter.
 
ncinthenext3 said:
He's a social media warrior on more than one front. Who his father is doesn't make him credible. Not about this, or anything else for that matter.
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Does his service?

He served as the commander of a Marine Corps brigades’ scout-sniper platoon deployed in Afghanistan in 2011.

I like to think that affords him a LITTLE credibility on his willingness to call out that culture, which he’s consistently done.
 
CDAV45 said:
Welp, there ya go. If it didn't go through any official channels then it is a nothing burger. I'm glad he's gone and that others have to deal with him now. Water under the bridge so can we move on now?
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Have to love these WE move on posts.

Ever think that the monotonous, this guy should play right not left, we should trade this guy for that, this guy isn't a starter but that guy is, is just as boring and tedious for many as you seem to think a days worth of discussion about the Indians front office is ?
 
CDAV45 said:
I'm not usually one to assume anything, but I do wonder how much enjoyment Jup is getting out of this. He's hated MC for years and now what was a good thread about Cleveland baseball is hijacked with MC dic pic talk with all the fucking buzzards are hovering overhead.
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You assume regularly CDAV, have spoken many times for me as if you know what I would say, but I am more than willing to say - I disliked Mikey because from '13 on I knew who he was - one could say morally - if that is allowed here - but disliked him more because of how he handled pitchers.

I have my opinion of right and wrong, but that is not everyone's, and I try to keep my opinion out of it. He was BAD professionally on many fronts. Technically he was WAY BEHIND, but he also was threatening. And he did it on purpose. He tried to "BULLY" players under his charge, and he tried to "BULLY" anyone who had a different opinion then he did about pitching. He tried to stifle intellectual development unless it towed the line he personally believed. So he tried to sabatoge people based on being very insecure or open minded to any difference of opinion. For me, that was the crux of the issue. A person that purposely tries to undermine others success is not someone you want in your organization. That was Mickey
 
jup said:
You assume regularly CDAV, have spoken many times for me as if you know what I would say, but I am more than willing to say - I disliked Mikey because from '13 on I knew who he was - one could say morally - if that is allowed here - but disliked him more because of how he handled pitchers.

I have my opinion of right and wrong, but that is not everyone's, and I try to keep my opinion out of it. He was BAD professionally on many fronts. Technically he was WAY BEHIND, but he also was threatening. And he did it on purpose. He tried to "BULLY" players under his charge, and he tried to "BULLY" anyone who had a different opinion then he did about pitching. He tried to stifle intellectual development unless it towed the line he personally believed. So he tried to sabatoge people based on being very insecure or open minded to any difference of opinion. For me, that was the crux of the issue. A person that purposely tries to undermine others success is not someone you want in your organization. That was Mickey
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It was "..the Callaway or the Highway.." i.....and we're left with the ashes...

Thoughts?..
 
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Uh...the track record of Tribe pitchers under Callaway speaks for itself.

The question I have is if someone...anyone, including posters on this forum...absolutely KNEW about Callaway's indiscretions, why didn't he put himself on the front line and speak up...loudly, so loud that he couldn't be ignored?

Instead of castigating others who allegedly did the same thing he did...stay quiet.
 
jup said:
You assume regularly CDAV, have spoken many times for me as if you know what I would say, but I am more than willing to say - I disliked Mikey because from '13 on I knew who he was - one could say morally - if that is allowed here - but disliked him more because of how he handled pitchers.

I have my opinion of right and wrong, but that is not everyone's, and I try to keep my opinion out of it. He was BAD professionally on many fronts. Technically he was WAY BEHIND, but he also was threatening. And he did it on purpose. He tried to "BULLY" players under his charge, and he tried to "BULLY" anyone who had a different opinion then he did about pitching. He tried to stifle intellectual development unless it towed the line he personally believed. So he tried to sabatoge people based on being very insecure or open minded to any difference of opinion. For me, that was the crux of the issue. A person that purposely tries to undermine others success is not someone you want in your organization. That was Mickey
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Yeah that's bullshit and you know it, and I clearly stated that "I wonder" therefore assuming nothing.

I don't need to get into the details with you about Callaway's ability as a pitching coach. Good, bad, or indifferent his record speaks for itself. Obviously he lacks some moral decency if what he is being accused of is true, but then again I don't give a single damn because he isn't Cleveland's pitching coach and hasn't been for quite some time now. In fact, the one pitcher that he couldn't get along with, who had issues with his prior team is gone too, and I'm glad both are no longer here. So if you are a Cleveland fan then you should be happy that the pervert and the narcissist are both gone.

This has turned into a mob scene and I suspect that you like it because of the very reasons you stated.
 
jup said:
Have to love these WE move on posts.

Ever think that the monotonous, this guy should play right not left, we should trade this guy for that, this guy isn't a starter but that guy is, is just as boring and tedious for many as you seem to think a days worth of discussion about the Indians front office is ?
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Yep, some of it gets pretty monotonous for sure, but at least it isn't tabloid worthy. This isn't a "days worth of discussion about the Indians front office". It's half truths at best and probably mostly hearsay and BS. Then again, I wouldn't know because no proof or evidence has been put forward to incriminate this FO, but if it's what gets you off then by all means keep on keeping on. What's the end game here?
 
CDAV45 said:
Yep, some of it gets pretty monotonous for sure, but at least it isn't tabloid worthy. This isn't a "days worth of discussion about the Indians front office". It's half truths at best and probably mostly hearsay and BS. Then again, I wouldn't know because no proof or evidence has been put forward to incriminate this FO, but if it's what gets you off then by all means keep on keeping on. What's the end game here?
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I think you’re willingly burying your head in the sand.

“tabloid-worthy”?
“Half truths at best and probably mostly hearsay and BS”?

I know nothing about the people who wrote this story, but I’m willing to give their journalistic integrity the benefit of the doubt. After all, their editors at The Athletic clearly trust it. Why aren’t you?

This is the biggest story in baseball right now, and it directly affects our favorite team. It’s very odd to see “can we move on” after a single day.

This blatant denial reads a lot like the things Astros fans were saying 18 months ago.
 
Cassity14 said:
I think you’re willingly burying your head in the sand.

“tabloid-worthy”?
“Half truths at best and probably mostly hearsay and BS”?

I know nothing about the people who wrote this story, but I’m willing to give their journalistic integrity the benefit of the doubt. After all, their editors at The Athletic clearly trust it. Why aren’t you?

This is the biggest story in baseball right now, and it directly affects our favorite team. It’s very odd to see “can we move on” after a single day.

This blatant denial reads a lot like the things Astros fans were saying 18 months ago.
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There was some pretty hard evidence that came out against the Astros players. So far there isn't much of anything against Antonetti/Francona except "they might've/should've knew".

Unless this investigation turns up something more, Callaway will get fired and won't get another MLB job, teams will install culture-modifying programs to try to avoid future instances of situations like this, and everyone will, indeed, move forward.

I'm not saying I agree with all of that, but that's realistically what is going to happen unless evidence comes out that they knew about the non-consensual stuff Mickey did.
 
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I see us trying to praise Antonetti/Chernoff if they didn't know, but I don't feel the same. In the article, it mentions how the gossip was very loud in Indians HQs. At best, Antonetti/Chernoff don't know a ton about their organizational culture. That's not exactly something to be proud of.
 
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