Browns 2021 Off-Season Thread

JDailey23 said:

Oh, I don’t know. Signs long term mega deal, says he loves the city, the team, appreciates the owner and front office.
A year later, hates them all and wants out.
Watson is, was, known as a good guy, much like Dak.
You said Dak isn’t like that to demand a trade, but Watson was??
Dallas very well may not be good and it’s not uncommon now to demand a trade after signing a big money deal.

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Players generally don't demand trades from competent organizations. If Dak asks out in a year, it will probably be because the team did some really stupid things, which I don't consider particularly likely. It's not like they haven't put talent around Dak. He's got Amari Cooper, CeeDee Lamb, and Michael Gallup at WR and Zeke Elliott and Tony Pollard at RB. Dak wanted to sign a long-term deal last year, but the team decided that spending long-term money on their RB instead was the wiser move. Anyone who plays fantasy probably saw how well Zeke played after Prescott got hurt, and it was like dog shit.

Have you seen the situation Watson is in? His best WR just got suspended for taking PEDs and I believe is a free agent. His previous best WR got traded for pennies on the dollar before going on to have an amazing season in Arizona where he made arguably the best catch of the year. His best WR is a concussion away from being out of football and his best RB is a washed up David Johnson. His offensive line is shit and the team has no first or second round pick to address any of their various holes. They just let probably the best player in their team's history walk with zero compensation so they could score a PR win and be called classy. That player went to Arizona to play with the receiver Houston foolishly traded away.

Not sure how you're not getting how these situations are different.

JDailey23 said:

Oh, I don’t know. Signs long term mega deal, says he loves the city, the team, appreciates the owner and front office.
A year later, hates them all and wants out.
Watson is, was, known as a good guy, much like Dak.
You said Dak isn’t like that to demand a trade, but Watson was??
Dallas very well may not be good and it’s not uncommon now to demand a trade after signing a big money deal.

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Deshaun Watson and Dak Prescott are very different individuals.

Watson certainly has never behaved the way Dak does, at least to me. If Dak demands a trade within two years after signing this deal, I'll be shocked. I'll gladly put up an RCF donation bet against it happening.

And, even if the two QB's were the same, that Texans situation is unlike any other team in the NFL. They are an absolute, unmitigated disaster.

Oh, and uh... I'm fairly certain Deshaun has had issues with ownership for quite a while.

The most eye-raising quote in the article came from Houston Texans owner Bob McNair, who reportedly derailed a discussion when he told other NFL owners that they “can’t have the inmates running the prison.”

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To keep it real with you, I feel like whenever a Black quarterback speaks up, the outside world sometimes doesn't think they're educated enough to know what's going on. So in reality, they're like, 'Hey, y'all Black quarterbacks -- shut up. Y'all don't know what y'all talking about.

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Randolphkeys said:

99 Hanceballoons

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All we are saying is give peace a Hance

Jack Brickman said:

Players generally don't demand trades from competent organizations. If Dak asks out in a year, it will probably be because the team did some really stupid things, which I don't consider particularly likely. It's not like they haven't put talent around Dak. He's got Amari Cooper, CeeDee Lamb, and Michael Gallup at WR and Zeke Elliott and Tony Pollard at RB. Dak wanted to sign a long-term deal last year, but the team decided that spending long-term money on their RB instead was the wiser move. Anyone who plays fantasy probably saw how well Zeke played after Prescott got hurt, and it was like dog shit.

Have you seen the situation Watson is in? His best WR just got suspended for taking PEDs and I believe is a free agent. His previous best WR got traded for pennies on the dollar before going on to have an amazing season in Arizona where he made arguably the best catch of the year. His best WR is a concussion away from being out of football and his best RB is a washed up David Johnson. His offensive line is shit and the team has no first or second round pick to address any of their various holes. They just let probably the best player in their team's history walk with zero compensation so they could score a PR win and be called classy. That player went to Arizona to play with the receiver Houston foolishly traded away.

Not sure how you're not getting how these situations are different.

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You're forgetting about the racist ownership and the reins of the team being handed over to an incompetent kid and a former chaplain now running the entire operation into the ground.


That organization is on fire, and it's not going to recover quickly.

Bill O'Brien was otherworldly-level incompetent. They've fallen even deeper in very short time.

A few pages back, people were bickering over past QB evaluations. Well, fun fact for today:

Not a single quarterback taken in the first round from 2009-2016 is still with the team that drafted them.

Twenty-two QB's, not a single one is still there. That's just crazy.

• Matt Stafford
• Mark Sanchez
• Josh Freeman
• Sam Bradford
• Tim Tebow
• Cam Newton
• Jake Locker
• Blaine Gabbert
• Christian Ponder
• Andrew Luck
• Robert Griffin III
• Ryan Tannehill
• Brandon Weeden
• EJ Manuel
• Blake Bortles
• Johnny Manziel
• Teddy Bridgewater
• Jameis Winston
• Macrus Mariota
• Jared Goff
• Carson Wentz
• Paxton Lynch

You can argue that, outside of Newton, Stafford and Luck who all went #1 overall, there wasn't a single hit for EIGHT YEARS.

Drafting and developing a good QB is really freaking hard.

Out of the Rafters at the Q said:

Deshaun Watson and Dak Prescott are very different individuals.

Watson certainly has never behaved the way Dak does, at least to me. If Dak demands a trade within two years after signing this deal, I'll be shocked. I'll gladly put up an RCF donation bet against it happening.

And, even if the two QB's were the same, that Texans situation is unlike any other team in the NFL. They are an absolute, unmitigated disaster.

Oh, and uh... I'm fairly certain Deshaun has had issues with ownership for quite a while.

Bob McNair said NFL can’t have ‘inmates running the prison’

McNair apologized, but the optics of an owner essentially describing himself as a prison warden is not great.

www.sbnation.com

New deal, new platform: Deshaun Watson is done holding back

After a summer of change and fresh off a big-money deal, the Houston Texans QB is lifting his voice.

www.espn.com

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Like normal, you’re taking a sarcastic or not serious comment from someone and making it more serious than it was meant to be.

col63onel said:

All we are saying is give peace a Hance

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The Humpty Hance is your Hance to do the hump.

Out of the Rafters at the Q said:

A few pages back, people were bickering over past QB evaluations. Well, fun fact for today:

Not a single quarterback taken in the first round from 2009-2016 is still with the team that drafted them.

Twenty-two QB's, not a single one is still there. That's just crazy.

• Matt Stafford
• Mark Sanchez
• Josh Freeman
• Sam Bradford
• Tim Tebow
• Cam Newton
• Jake Locker
• Blaine Gabbert
• Christian Ponder
• Andrew Luck
• Robert Griffin III
• Ryan Tannehill
• Brandon Weeden
• EJ Manuel
• Blake Bortles
• Johnny Manziel
• Teddy Bridgewater
• Jameis Winston
• Macrus Mariota
• Jared Goff
• Carson Wentz
• Paxton Lynch

You can argue that, outside of Newton, Stafford and Luck who all went #1 overall, there wasn't a single hit for EIGHT YEARS.

Drafting and developing a good QB is really freaking hard.

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I think part of it is that highly rated QBs almost universally get drafted into terrible situations. They go to teams with bad coaches, horrible offensive lines, inept management, a dearth of talent...you get the idea. These guys are put into a position to fail from day one and, unsurprisingly, most of them do.

I also think that quarterback is the hardest position to properly evaluate, because it is the position most dependent on what a guy has between the ears. You can only teach a certain level of mental processing. Some guys can make multiple reads in a short span of time. Some guys can't. Some guys have what it takes to see the game at an NFL level. Most don't. College situations also vary drastically. We all thought Herbert sucked, but it turns out maybe his teammates were just garbage. But is the guy at Alabama or Oklahoma or LSU good because he's throwing to future elite NFL receivers or because he's actually got what it takes? You can evaluate RBs and WRs almost solely on their metrics (breakout age, forty time, dominator rating, speed score, and a couple others) and hit more often than you miss, but the QB position is so much more complicated.

When you couple those two factors together, it's not all that surprising that so many QBs bust. It's the hardest position to play and the top prospects end up in the worst situations, which means that at least a portion of the guys who probably had what it takes to succeed won't solely due to bad luck. It's probably fair to say the Browns have ruined a couple of quarterbacks who might have become real NFL players on a better team, and we ruined Tim Couch for certain.

We were ready to write Baker off as another Browns bust last year, and now many are calling him a top ten QB in the NFL. Baker didn't magically learn how to play football between the 2019 and 2020 seasons. We just hired a coach who wasn't a fuckwit and put together a good offensive line. Shockingly, that saw our quarterback play better.

Would Sam Darnold be the best QB from that class if he had been drafted by Kansas City (I know they got Mahomes the year before...this is hypothetical) instead of the New York Jets? Would Lamar Jackson be an MVP if he had ended up on the Eagles instead of the Ravens? This shit matters far more than anyone ever talks about.

tristan+kyrie=$ said:

Man Delpit looks healthy

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Knee looks great.

Kbiz said:

Knee looks great.

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I would hope so, especially since he tore his achilles.

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Vee-Rex said:

I would hope so, especially since he tore his achilles.

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Ankle looks great.

Randolphkeys said:

The Humpty Hance is your Hance to do the hump.

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Everybody Hance Now!

Arketebel said:

Everybody Hance Now!

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Put your hands down my Hance and I bet you feel nuts.

We can Hance if we want to
We can leave your friends behind
'Cause your friends don't Hance
And if they don't Hance
Well, they're no friends of mine.