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Isaac 3 & D Okoro - A Two Way Playing Basketball Savant

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Who is Isaac Okoro's Favorite Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Emperor?

  • Arcadius (if one does not count Constantine as first)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Justinian the Great

    Votes: 9 15.5%

  • Zeno

    Votes: 2 3.4%

  • Heraclius

    Votes: 3 5.2%

  • Basil II, the Bulgar Slayer

    Votes: 6 10.3%

  • Nikephoros II Phokas, the Pale Death of the Saracens

    Votes: 7 12.1%

  • Alexios I Komnenos

    Votes: 4 6.9%

  • John II, the Beautiful Komnenos

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Constantine XI

    Votes: 4 6.9%

  • Jim I Chones, the Magnificent

    Votes: 27 46.6%
  • Total voters
    58
Bob_The_Cat said:
Lol...talk about cherry picking stats and wishful thinking here. When you look at the actual stats, there's another huge difference aside from size; Brown played half as many minutes as Okoro his rookie year. It's also amazing that Fedor so easily brushes aside a 5% difference in 3pt shooting percentage. That's not some small number.

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Here's the other thing; Boston was also 53-29 that year and made it to the Eastern Conference Finals. Brown had to earn his playing time on a playoff team. He wasn't gifted a starting role and given unlimited playing time no matter performance.

In Brown's second year, he averaged 14.5 pts, 5 Reb, and shot 40% from three. If Okoro makes that type of a leap, I'll happily eat my words. I just don't see it happening from what I've seen from Okoro.
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Add to that the fact that Brown showed significant improvement throughout his rookie season. Two of his first three months he really struggled shooting below 40% but he was over 49% after the all star game.
I will give some credit to Okoro, if nothing else he has been consistent. His shooting percentages over the past 3 months have been .412, .412, and .416. His ppg have sank from 9, to 7.9 to 6.9.
It's the lack of growth in his game that is most worrisome with Okoro. Rookies will struggle, they will have highs and lows. Okoro doesn't have them, he just plods along like the invisible man. Saturday night was the perfect example. Wade and Dotson and Stevens were getting lots of touches, but Okoro went the entire 2nd quarter hiding in the corner and never once touched the ball. It was literally 4 on 5 that quarter for the 7 minutes or so that he was on the court.
There comes a point when a rookie is no longer a rookie. After playing 30+ minutes a game we should be seeing something more than we are seeing now.
 
Wham with the Right Hand said:
There are people worried about his offense. And that’s a fair concern. But not anybody in this locker room…There’s no one in here that’s thinking, ‘Oh, man, he’s not scoring that much. So he’s not being that effective.’ If you’re thinking that way, you’re not watching the games, you’re not watching what he does, because he’s an outstanding defensive player. And right now, that’s his focus…There are people concerned about his offense. Those people can kick rocks as far as I’m concerned. - Larry Nance Jr, 318/21
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With what he provides in the locker room, the abilities on the court, and the fact he is home grown and wants to be here and even throw in his Dad is an all time great Cav, LNJ is about as untradeable on the team as there is. I dont think we get the offer for him that would make me trade him like #1 overall as his intangibles are more important in Cleveland than anywhere else.
 
Bob_The_Cat said:
Lol...talk about cherry picking stats and wishful thinking here. When you look at the actual stats, there's another huge difference aside from size; Brown played half as many minutes as Okoro his rookie year. It's also amazing that Fedor so easily brushes aside a 5% difference in 3pt shooting percentage. That's not some small number.

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Here's the other thing; Boston was also 53-29 that year and made it to the Eastern Conference Finals. Brown had to earn his playing time on a playoff team. He wasn't gifted a starting role and given unlimited playing time no matter performance.

In Brown's second year, he averaged 14.5 pts, 5 Reb, and shot 40% from three. If Okoro makes that type of a leap, I'll happily eat my words. I just don't see it happening from what I've seen from Okoro.
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We're fucked.

The Jaylen Brown comparison is laughably bad.

He's significantly bigger. He was a better 3 point shooter. And, as you said, he played WAY less minutes and was producing almost just as much as Okoro in raw stats.

Like..it's not close.
 
Rich said:
We're fucked.

The Jaylen Brown comparison is laughably bad.

He's significantly bigger. He was a better 3 point shooter. And, as you said, he played WAY less minutes and was producing almost just as much as Okoro in raw stats.

Like..it's not close.
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Less injury prone MKG?
 
rastamon87 said:
Less injury prone MKG?
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Yea I'd say that's closer.

Although, again, MKG was bigger by quite a bit.


His shot should end up better. His form isn't totally broken.


But this is what teams and fans do when they've drafted a bad player.

They'll find some other player who had similar stats in their early days and then go "see, our guy is like that guy!"


I'll never forget the endless amount of James Harden comparisons after Dion's first and second year.
 
What's the opposite of a stat sheet stuffer?
stat sheet sewer
stat sheet strainer
stat sheet sapper

Whatever it is Isaac O-nonymous fits the bill. Honestly feel bad for him - seems like a good kid and I've stated numerous times I don't think he should be counted out just yet but man has anyone become a star without some flashes out there?
 
Pioneer10 said:
What's the opposite of a stat sheet stuffer?
stat sheet sewer
stat sheet strainer
stat sheet sapper

Whatever it is Isaac O-nonymous fits the bill. Honestly feel bad for him - seems like a good kid and I've stated numerous times I don't think he should be counted out just yet but man has anyone become a star without some flashes out there?
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Being a star is almost entirely out of the question at this point.

Because there hasn't been a single instance this season that he's flashed that. Not one 2 minute stretch.


He's gonna struggle to be decent role player.
 
Rich said:
Being a star is almost entirely out of the question at this point.

Because there hasn't been a single instance this season that he's flashed that. Not one 2 minute stretch.


He's gonna struggle to be decent role player.
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he looked good in pre season. Just never quite seen anything like this. Hes just out there like a lost puppy: you think the coach would set him up for something to get him going
 
Tonight marks his 10th game this season with 1 or less made field goals.

He's the worst player in the NBA getting at least 20 minutes a night. He's probably the worst player in the NBA getting any minutes currently.
 
Rich said:
Tonight marks his 10th game this season with 1 or less made field goals.

He's the worst player in the NBA getting at least 20 minutes a night. He's probably the worst player in the NBA getting any minutes currently.
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Cue the young player coming into the NBA during a pandemic bullshit. We got robbed, again.
 
JBB isn't the coach to get Okoro to develop. Okoro needs a coach that will install a playbook and use a vet PG that will just feed Okoro with good looks to build out his game.
 
Rich said:
Tonight marks his 10th game this season with 1 or less made field goals.

He's the worst player in the NBA getting at least 20 minutes a night. He's probably the worst player in the NBA getting any minutes currently.
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It's not his fault they are tanking though lol
They knew damn well he couldn't shoot and they picked him anyway
because they are trying to build around a bad defensive back court
I suppose?
He will never be a great shooter but they are not doing him any favors
as a slasher when the lanes are clogged by either poor outside shots or
worse not even attempting them.
They really need to to draft multiple elite shooters that are not 6' in the next 2 drafts to have any chance of
competing with these core players
 
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