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The +/-'s in that GSW-TOR game are unreal. Gary Trent Jr. a cool +54 for the Raptors, good for the second highest +/- in a single game in NBA history (source).

Trivia: The worst single-game +/- belongs to a former Cav at -57. Name that Cav!

Manny Harris, 2011, Cavs @ Lakers
 
The +/-'s in that GSW-TOR game are unreal. Gary Trent Jr. a cool +54 for the Raptors, good for the second highest +/- in a single game in NBA history (source).

Trivia: The worst single-game +/- belongs to a former Cav at -57. Name that Cav!

Manny Harris, 2011, Cavs @ Lakers

It was from the Lakers debacle, right? Alonzo Gee?
 
It was from the Lakers debacle, right? Alonzo Gee?
Right game, wrong player. A 57-112 loss to the Lakers on Jan. 11, 2011. Manny Harris led the tank that night with a -57.

I'll be honest, I have no recollection of that game. I think I've managed to completely repress that entire first season without LeBron. Dark, hopeless times for the wine & gold...
 
Right game, wrong player. A 57-112 loss to the Lakers on Jan. 11, 2011. Manny Harris led the tank that night with a -57.

I'll be honest, I have no recollection of that game. I think I've managed to completely repress that entire first season without LeBron. Dark, hopeless times for the wine & gold...

I remember it well.

It's why the other day when someone asked if that Utah loss was the worst game ever played by the Cavs, I said no. Because I remember this game.
 
Ainge should go before Stevens.

For Ainge, he got too high on his own kool-aid.

I believe as a GM and President, HE is what closed this Boston window for contention this year.

He put 3 iterations of contending teams out there (Big 3; IT & scrappy crew; KI, Horford, Hayward) without ever having to hit bottom due to some shrewd take it or leave it trading (IT from Suns, KI from Cavs, Tatum & Brown coming from Nets picks in KG/Pierce trade) and some shrewd negotiating when it came time (no IT extension, no Horford extension).

But the flip side of that, is when he had assets/bullets in his gun to make moves that maybe weren't clearly advantageous and had a little more risk involved on the surface, he was unwilling and sat on them expecting a more surefire/advantageous opportunity to pop up. He's let more trade exceptions expire than Chris Grant and quite possibly the dumbest ego driven move may have been his reluctance to essentially take Myles Turner for FREE this summer in a sign and trade for Hayward before Hayward got tired of waiting for Ainge to try to negotiate more into the deal and took more money in Charlotte.

I still think Brad Stevens is a damn good coach, but I think Ainge's vision for building the team has been compromised by his ego with having to win every transaction without taking too many perceived risks.

Nothing makes me happier than seeing them squander assets and opportunities to contend.
 
I feel like Griff is going the route of Ainge too. He keeps making these galaxy brain decisions (drafting Jaxon Hayes, Adams trade+extension) that don't work out. Then there is the JJ fiasco...

If there's one thing you can't complain about Koby, it's that he hasn't galaxy brained himself. Okoro over Hali may have been a blunder but its too early to call it. And in no way is Okoro The next Anthony Bennett (another Griff classic).

Back to Ainge tho, I am happy to see all those assets he has fizzle out. The Nets trade was an absolute robbery but after that and the godawful Kyrie trade, teams are really reluctant to deal with him. His drafting outside of the top of the lottery (Tatum, Brown, Smart) has also been garbage. Timelord is thr only other rotation level guy he has fished up. All in all, Ainge is probably in the bottom 3rd as a GM.
 
For Ainge, he got too high on his own kool-aid.

I believe as a GM and President, HE is what closed this Boston window for contention this year.

He put 3 iterations of contending teams out there (Big 3; IT & scrappy crew; KI, Horford, Hayward) without ever having to hit bottom due to some shrewd take it or leave it trading (IT from Suns, KI from Cavs, Tatum & Brown coming from Nets picks in KG/Pierce trade) and some shrewd negotiating when it came time (no IT extension, no Horford extension).

But the flip side of that, is when he had assets/bullets in his gun to make moves that maybe weren't clearly advantageous and had a little more risk involved on the surface, he was unwilling and sat on them expecting a more surefire/advantageous opportunity to pop up. He's let more trade exceptions expire than Chris Grant and quite possibly the dumbest ego driven move may have been his reluctance to essentially take Myles Turner for FREE this summer in a sign and trade for Hayward before Hayward got tired of waiting for Ainge to try to negotiate more into the deal and took more money in Charlotte.

I still think Brad Stevens is a damn good coach, but I think Ainge's vision for building the team has been compromised by his ego with having to win every transaction without taking too many perceived risks.

Nothing makes me happier than seeing them squander assets and opportunities to contend.
Exactly how I have felt for years. Its only a matter of time before Tatum or Brown get out.
 
He's let more trade exceptions expire than Chris Grant and quite possibly the dumbest ego driven move may have been his reluctance to essentially take Myles Turner for FREE this summer in a sign and trade for Hayward before Hayward got tired of waiting for Ainge to try to negotiate more into the deal and took more money in Charlotte.
Ainge did WHAT?

Myles Turner would solve so many of the Celtics' problems. LOLOLOLOLOL. And Hayward going to the Pacers would have been good for Indiana as well.
 
Na. He sucks. 8 years in and still hasn't figured it out.
Kind of surprised to see him still in the league when the Cavs played the Rockets earlier. I remember the year he was in the draft he was one of the ones I had hoped the Cavs had picked over who they ended up picking.
 
Kind of surprised to see him still in the league when the Cavs played the Rockets earlier. I remember the year he was in the draft he was one of the ones I had hoped the Cavs had picked over who they ended up picking.
If I recall he's been a 10 day guy a few times and outright cut by the kings.
 
I feel like Griff is going the route of Ainge too. He keeps making these galaxy brain decisions (drafting Jaxon Hayes, Adams trade+extension) that don't work out. Then there is the JJ fiasco...

If there's one thing you can't complain about Koby, it's that he hasn't galaxy brained himself. Okoro over Hali may have been a blunder but its too early to call it. And in no way is Okoro The next Anthony Bennett (another Griff classic).

Back to Ainge tho, I am happy to see all those assets he has fizzle out. The Nets trade was an absolute robbery but after that and the godawful Kyrie trade, teams are really reluctant to deal with him. His drafting outside of the top of the lottery (Tatum, Brown, Smart) has also been garbage. Timelord is thr only other rotation level guy he has fished up. All in all, Ainge is probably in the bottom 3rd as a GM.

This is not how I see at all

Ainge traded down to get Tatum. Trading down to get the best player in the draft was a terrific move.
Jaylen Brown was projected to go 9th and he was thought of as reach and he's going to be a top 3 talent as well.
Those picks make up a lot in my mind: getting 2 big, athletic wings who play offense and defense is the hardest thing to do in this league as it's the most coveted position.

Both Williams are solid roleplayers and maybe timelord becomes something more. He was also able to pull another rotation player out of his ass in Theis who I never even heard of before he got sold off to avoid the luxury tax

It's completely fair to say he wasn't willing to make the grandfather offer to pull in a guy like AD and take the risk that Toronto did with Kawhii but he's a good GM. Althought: man I still think a healthy Hayward, Brown, Tatum, and Irving would be awesome.

The real criticism I think when it comes down to eat is overpaying Brown and losing Hayward and Horford. Really messed them up. Lost a huge amount of size which cost them last year and this eyar
 
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I still don't get how the narrative survives HERE of all places that Ainge just saved all his bullets and wouldn't pull the trigger.


If there's one message board on Earth where that shouldn't be a talking point, it's this one.

It's as if this board collectively pretends the Kyrie to Boston trade didn't happen.
 
I still don't get how the narrative survives HERE of all places that Ainge just saved all his bullets and wouldn't pull the trigger.

You don't get it because that wasn't what was said.
 
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