Given the way lonzo has performed in the NBA I can see giddey rising up boards. Does anyone know how their Australian seasons compare?
Josh Giddey's numbers are beginning to improve. He's 10/24 from deep in his last 6 games after starting the season 2/20, his steals are up, and he's continuing to pack the box score with rebounds and assists. Here's how his profile compares to Ball's profile last year (per-40 pace adjusted):
Giddey: 13.4 points (.38/.27/.65 shooting), 8.8 rebounds, 7.3 assists, 1.8 steals, 0.8 blocks, 2.6 fouls, 3.7 turnovers
Ball: 21.6 points (.39/.28/.70 shooting), 9.4 boards, 8.6 assists, 2.1 steals, 0.2 blocks, 3.3 fouls, 3.2 turnovers
What stands out is the big gap in scoring output. Elsewhere, though, Giddey is well within the same ballpark. I'd probably have him in the teens on my board at the moment.
Giddey put up another huge statline earlier today with 14 points, 11 boards, and 8 assists. He's also 21/49 from 3 in his last 12 games after going 2/20 in his first 7 games, pushing his season percentage up to a respectable 33%. The gap between his profile this year and Ball's profile last year continues to shrink.
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Mm, funny you should ask
Here's the updated comparison (per-40 pace adjusted):
Giddey: 14.1 points (.41/.32/.67 shooting), 8.9 boards, 8.3 assists, 1.6 steals, 0.8 blocks, 2.4 fouls, 3.6 turnovers
Ball: 21.6 points (.39/.28/.70 shooting), 9.4 boards, 8.6 assists, 2.1 steals, 0.2 blocks, 3.3 fouls, 3.2 turnovers
Giddey still lags as a scorer, but he's improving his efficiency there, and he's almost completely closed the gap on Ball in other areas.
The kicker is his age...he doesn't turn 19 until October, meaning he's younger than virtually every other prospect in this draft, and even younger than Ball was going into his rookie season. As it stands, he's a definite top-10, probable top-5 pick on my board.
Pretty impressive stuff. How does his defense project? Quick enough for guards or limited more to wings?
FYI Cooper has like 10% chance of getting drafted in the first round, he is not a lottery level option despite the assist rate.Totally a hypothetical but thought I'd share for shits and giggles.
Just did my 2k21 offseason with the Cavs. Finished with 6th worst record and the Pelicans leaped into the top 3 in the lottery so we got stuck at 7.
1) Pistons - Evan Mobley
2) Pelicans - Jalen Green
3) Timberwolves - Cade Cunningham
4) Rockets - Jalen Suggs
5) Thunder - Jonathan Kuminga
6) Magic - Sharife Cooper (?)
7) Cavs - Moses Moody
8) Kings - Keon Johnson
9) Wizards - Josh Giddey
10) Pacers - Scottie Barnes
It was a close choice for me between Moody and Barnes, but we just had more options under contract at SF/PF and I like Moody's 2-way potential. Playing with dudes who don't shoot great is no fun.
Also, I traded Cedi to the Pelicans for 2 of their mid-late 2nd rounders and drafted Jaden Springer (not sure why he was slipping) and Jared Butler. At least I will have some fun guards off the bench.
The AI drafted pretty well and found some intriguing fits for teams besides Cooper. I think the game was overrating their weakness at the position since Fultz is still hurt, but whatever. It's a game.
Probably three international players* in the past 25 years who’s play in the NBA justify being retroactively considered #1 pick worthy: Giannis, Luka, and Jokic.Post-MM big board. While some NCAA prospects helped their stocks, all of the top international guys have helped their stock a lot in the last month or so.
#1. Sengun. Same reasoning as before...probable MVP in an elite pro league at age 18. And contrary to popular belief, he's doing his damage in a fast-paced modern offense, not in a throwback post-centric offense.
#2/3. Barnes and Mobley, neck and neck. Both elite defensive prospects with great physical tools, though their offensive games have some moderately concerning weaknesses.
#4-10. Suggs, Kuminga, Green, Wagner, Moody, Giddey, Springer
#11-20. Garuba, Prkacin, Boston, McBride, Cunningham, Johnson, Cooper, Robinson-Earl, Butler, Jackson
Post-MM big board. While some NCAA prospects helped their stocks, all of the top international guys have helped their stock a lot in the last month or so.
#1. Sengun. Same reasoning as before...probable MVP in an elite pro league at age 18. And contrary to popular belief, he's doing his damage in a fast-paced modern offense, not in a throwback post-centric offense.
#2/3. Barnes and Mobley, neck and neck. Both elite defensive prospects with great physical tools, though their offensive games have some moderately concerning weaknesses.
#4-10. Suggs, Kuminga, Green, Wagner, Moody, Giddey, Springer
#11-20. Garuba, Prkacin, Boston, McBride, Cunningham, Johnson, Cooper, Robinson-Earl, Butler, Jackson
Agree, hence the question mark. It's a video game and Cooper was even rated like a 70 overall. Magic gonna Magic.FYI Cooper has like 10% chance of getting drafted in the first round, he is not a lottery level option despite the assist rate.
Moody is too raw to go before Barnes and several others. imo
I cannot stand Moses Moody as lottery option maybe 12 or later on potential but he is too raw to be a top 10 pick in this draft. In last years a year earlier in the rebuild having not drafted Okoro maybe. Too many better options imo
Probably three international players* in the past 25 years who’s play in the NBA justify being retroactively considered #1 pick worthy: Giannis, Luka, and Jokic.
I assume he’s at one in your meter because numbers say he should be, but I just have a hard time selling myself on him as on the level as those three and worthy of being drafted ahead of a few other players in this draft.
*not including guys like Embiid who came over here for HS/AAU/NCAA prior to draft.
Totally a hypothetical but thought I'd share for shits and giggles.
Just did my 2k21 offseason with the Cavs. Finished with 6th worst record and the Pelicans leaped into the top 3 in the lottery so we got stuck at 7.
1) Pistons - Evan Mobley
2) Pelicans - Jalen Green
3) Timberwolves - Cade Cunningham
4) Rockets - Jalen Suggs
5) Thunder - Jonathan Kuminga
6) Magic - Sharife Cooper (?)
7) Cavs - Moses Moody
8) Kings - Keon Johnson
9) Wizards - Josh Giddey
10) Pacers - Scottie Barnes
It was a close choice for me between Moody and Barnes, but we just had more options under contract at SF/PF and I like Moody's 2-way potential. Playing with dudes who don't shoot great is no fun.
Also, I traded Cedi to the Pelicans for 2 of their mid-late 2nd rounders and drafted Jaden Springer (not sure why he was slipping) and Jared Butler. At least I will have some fun guards off the bench.
The AI drafted pretty well and found some intriguing fits for teams besides Cooper. I think the game was overrating their weakness at the position since Fultz is still hurt, but whatever. It's a game.
Making me jelly I stuck with the realistic route. Sounds like a blast.Funny, I got nba2k21 for PS5 over the weekend and simmed 2020 so I could do the same thing.
Cavs finished with the 8th worst record and won the lottery (lulz). With the first pick, I chose Mobley. Jalen Green was on the board at 4, and OKC accepted a package of Sexton and Love for pick 4 (Green) and Horford....who I flipped to the Bulls for a future first rounder.
Running a starting lineup of :
Pg - DG
Sg- Green
SF - Okoro
PF - Mobley
C - Allen
Nance and Windler playing multiple positions off the bench for heavy minutes. Really fun versatile lineup! DG and Green can fill it up, Mobley/Allen locks down the paint and I keep one on the court at all times. Realistic? Nah. Fun? Very.