Isaac 3 & D Okoro - A Two Way Playing Basketball Savant

foucault87 said:

Don't get where this obsession with benching Sexton comes from. He is clearly our best player and getting a more complete game by the week. This isn't Jordan Clarkson we are talking about.

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So I think the overall thought is if we can get some size in the starting lineup from 1-3, our defense would improve. Okoro is too small I think to guard most 3s, so he'd be mostly on the 2 and if we get a guy like Kuminga, he'd be more of a 3. So we'd have to choose between Garland/Sexton/Okoro for the 1/2. I think the overall consensus is Garland is a better passer so him being on the floor as a starter makes sense. Out of the 3, I think the player who could have the biggest impact off the bench would be Sexton because of how well he can score. The go-to comparison being Lou Williams. I think that's the overall logic.

kookoo said:

So I think the overall thought is if we can get some size in the starting lineup from 1-3, our defense would improve. Okoro is too small I think to guard most 3s, so he'd be mostly on the 2 and if we get a guy like Kuminga, he'd be more of a 3. So we'd have to choose between Garland/Sexton/Okoro for the 1/2. I think the overall consensus is Garland is a better passer so him being on the floor as a starter makes sense. Out of the 3, I think the player who could have the biggest impact off the bench would be Sexton because of how well he can score. The go-to comparison being Lou Williams. I think that's the overall logic.

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i understand the logic of why sexton coming off the bench makes sense. but tell me in what basketball world do you bench your best player?

ryanf said:

i understand the logic of why sexton coming off the bench makes sense. but tell me in what basketball world do you bench your best player?

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Allen would still be starting..

They can bench Sexton after they manage to get some better guards.

Okoro currently looks like a nice, pesky energy guy off the bench.

Bring him in to really cause some havoc and get in someone's grill.

Gary Harris 2.0

kookoo said:

So I think the overall thought is if we can get some size in the starting lineup from 1-3, our defense would improve. Okoro is too small I think to guard most 3s, so he'd be mostly on the 2 and if we get a guy like Kuminga, he'd be more of a 3. So we'd have to choose between Garland/Sexton/Okoro for the 1/2. I think the overall consensus is Garland is a better passer so him being on the floor as a starter makes sense. Out of the 3, I think the player who could have the biggest impact off the bench would be Sexton because of how well he can score. The go-to comparison being Lou Williams. I think that's the overall logic.

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Sexton is light years better than Lou Williams was in his first three years. I don't understand, why anyone even would even say this bullshit. If,anyone that should be on the bench it should be Garland. He's too passive, too injured prone, and when you compare his and Sexton's best games it's not even close...Sexton got him beat by a long mile but people want to bench the player that teams are double teaming and putting pressure every night...

I don't understand this logic at all.

One more thing,before we start demoting players can we get players that can score and shoot consistently on the bench...This bench cost us game after game but we want our best player to be surrounded by players that can't shoot or score consistently.

Wow all this BS and no mention of how well Okoro guarded Curry

Cavatt said:

Wow all this BS and no mention of how well Okoro guarded Curry

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Yeah, he made him really work for those 33 points.

Actually, limiting Curry to 33 points on 25 shots isn't bad at all. Curry only shot five free throws and a couple of those were gifted by the refs. But Okoro had some help - there was a lot of doubling of Curry which he passed out of resulting in points for teammates. The W's shot 51% from the field and 30-for-46 on 2-point attempts.

What hurt us most was their three bench players shooting 18-for-29 (62%) and scoring 45 points while our bench managed only 23. Nance, Wade, Delly, and Hartenstein scored 9 points in 58 minutes. I can see why posters have been suggesting they bring Sexton off the bench.

The other problem was Love was floundering on the second night of a back-to-back and shot 2-for-10 as well as being victimized repeatedly on defense. Okoro was so focused on defending Curry that he only scored 6 points. So our starting forwards combined for 11 points in 58 minutes.

Garland's shooting was off in the first half. He had an uncontested corner 3 and hit the side of the backboard. I'll bet Curry has never done that in his life.

Nance needs to develop some kind of inside game. Even when he's close to the rim he won't shoot. He needs to develop a reliable jump hook and a fallaway. Also a pump fake with an up-and-under move. With his leaping ability there's no reason why he should keep passing the ball when he has a height advantage at the rim.

Garland was saying the Cavs' best basketball of the year is ahead of them and they're ready to make a playoff run. Well, let's see it starting Saturday. But there's nothing they can do right now about being a team of one-dimensional players other than have Nance, Okoro, and Allen keep working on their offense and Sexton and Garland work on their defense.

Love needs to get with a trainer in the off-season and work on flexibility and quickness. He looks stiff and slow. He used to be very effective from the low post with either a baby hook from in front of the rim or a baseline fallaway off a spin. So far this year both those moves have been all but non-existant. He tried the jump hook last night and got it swatted back at him.

Cavatt said:

Wow all this BS and no mention of how well Okoro guarded Curry

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I'm rewatching the game and THIS is standing out to me most right now.

He set a tone very early that made it a difficult night for Curry by doing two things;

1. Met him at 40 feet and played ball deny on the perimeter for the first 4-5 possessions. By the time Curry got the ball with a tiny little bit of airspace on the perimeter, Okoro closed out clean and crowded him enough to relegate him to desperation heaves. If Curry brought the ball up, Okoro met him at halfcourt. We really cant understate how Okoro's disciplined approach and physicality had Curry off his game offensively until the refs helped him get his footing with a few questionable calls late.

2. Aggressively cut to the basket anytime he got Curry guarding him in a cross matchup. Okoro cut with purpose looking to get downhill with Curry on him and even attempted to seal him on one of the 3 cuts I see early. Allen found him with a perfect backdoor pass on one and Love sets a screen and pop that let's Okoro get Curry on his hip on the other one.

This same Sexton discussion is happening already in the Sexton thread.

It's very substantial and a healthy discourse, just in the wrong place. I'll send these last few over there to remedy.

Back to Okoro here.

RchfldCavRaised said:

This same Sexton discussion is happening already in the Sexton thread.

It's very substantial and a healthy discourse, just in the wrong place. I'll send these last few over there to remedy.

Back to Okoro here.

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Sometimes, I forget you have mod powers.

I need to stop being so friendly.

Derek said:

Sometimes, I forget you have mod powers.

I need to stop being so friendly.

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I've literally had guys inbox me telling me they used to be cool with me but now that I'm the feds, they wont like my posts anymore

(takes off badge)

Well yeah, the wings struggled against the Curry's. Wiggins and the guy with the long funny name went to town and that was partially Okoro and partially due to the doubling of Curry. So while Curry's efficiency was down, the poor play by Nance especially was diappointing. Love looked like a mess as well on defense. Sexland tries. Colin gets caught in tunnel vision and Garland needs a bit more efficiency on scoring. But they are better than last year and the amount of times Colin has drifted off of the ball this year is improving. The rest of the team stinks though. A 25 win team. Maybe Sexland by next year can make it a 45 win team at best..................please please lotto balls. Bring us a stud.

RchfldCavRaised said:

This same Sexton discussion is happening already in the Sexton thread.

It's very substantial and a healthy discourse, just in the wrong place. I'll send these last few over there to remedy.

Back to Okoro here.

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Its like you say one bad thing about Sexton and suddenly i am anti Sexton. The kid has ridiculous speed and efficient scoring, but obviously is a ball stop to some degree. He is in his 3rd year, he will get bad.

As for Okoro, he does everything you can that isnt in the box score that leads to winning. Obviously in the modern NBA he has to work on his shot, but the kid is 20 and in his first year, he will get better by allot.

Throw in Garland and all 3 of our last lottery picks can play ball. People act like with a 1st, 2nd and 3rd year pick all playing our frontcourt we are supposed to have it figured out already. But we are on pace to be a "30" win team which is a year after year after year improvement. Rebuilds take time, and your roster isnt supposed to be complete.

Okoro is not a finished product, not even close, but the kid can play some D and has shown some flashed on offense. I like it so far. I would love to get luck and get a top 3 pick in this draft to add to the roster.