2021 Draft Prospects Thread

Ozone said:

Sure if it is Oweh for example but I wouldn't take Tryon for example at 26 just so I could make his contract 5 years

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You don’t, but I’m not sure the org agrees with that. Their board dictates a reach, not consensus, and they likely won’t swap an extra year for a minor asset.

Randolphkeys said:

Oweh is a bigger risk than people give credit. I'll give you stats to compare:

Player one: Seven sacks, 13.5 tackles for loss, 63 tackles.

Player two: Eight sacks, 12.5 tackles for loss, 41 tackles.

Pretty close... until I tell you player one needed three seasons to produce those totals and player two put those numbers up as a sophomore. Basically, Joseph Tryon produced in one season what Oweh produced in his entire college career combined. That said, I have them ranked pretty evenly just because they both have so much untapped potential. Tryon was a three sport athlete who is just beginning to focus on football.

There are a lot of apples to oranges comparisons with this entire draft. Who do you reward when some players had to miss a full season or half a season for issues besides injury?

The front office has made a lot of great moves but the jury is still out on their college scouting department. This will be a huge draft to evaluate if draft preparation is the weak link for Berry's front office.

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thats reasonable Tryon has the explosiveness size and relentless motor with 29 pressures in his final seven games after only 12 in his first six outings is impressive but he opted out last season and he still seems extremely raw as far as feel for the game with poor hand use etc. His bull rush might be worth the gamble in the high 2nd but I wouldn't bet on him being drafted any higher. Oweh btw is also guilty of drifting and not staying engaged and for a player with that much potential I would have to know why before I drafted him at 26 too.

Randolphkeys said:

Oweh is a bigger risk than people give credit. I'll give you stats to compare:

Player one: Seven sacks, 13.5 tackles for loss, 63 tackles.

Player two: Eight sacks, 12.5 tackles for loss, 41 tackles.

Pretty close... until I tell you player one needed three seasons to produce those totals and player two put those numbers up as a sophomore. Basically, Joseph Tryon produced in one season what Oweh produced in his entire college career combined. That said, I have them ranked pretty evenly just because they both have so much untapped potential. Tryon was a three sport athlete who is just beginning to focus on football.

There are a lot of apples to oranges comparisons with this entire draft. Who do you reward when some players had to miss a full season or half a season for issues besides injury?

The front office has made a lot of great moves but the jury is still out on their college scouting department. This will be a huge draft to evaluate if draft preparation is the weak link for Berry's front office.

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Oweh's an athlete who currently can't play football.

That's how you get a franchise in trouble--by spending premium assets on guys who aren't good football players.

Personally, on the edge front, I'm still liking the premium fallers. Jaelen Phillips, Gregory Rousseau... that's the kind of player I'd consider at 26.

Assuming that doesn't happen, I really like the idea of Ronnie Perkins later. A three-year starter at Oklahoma, and a guy who is already a really good, productive football player.

Ozone said:

thats reasonable Tryon has the explosiveness size and relentless motor with 29 pressures in his final seven games after only 12 in his first six outings is impressive but he opted out last season and he still seems extremely raw as far as feel for the game with poor hand use etc. His bull rush might be worth the gamble in the high 2nd but I wouldn't bet on him being drafted any higher. Oweh btw is also guilty of drifting and not staying engaged and for a player with that much potential I would have to know why before I drafted him at 26 too.

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I've read Joseph Tryon to the Bills at pick #30 in a lot of mock drafts and that makes a lot of sense to me.

I think its easier to teach Tryon what he doesn't have - pass rush moves using his upper body technique - than fill some of the holes these other edge players have. The guy used to be a D1 college recruit in basketball and baseball. Seems like that's a background that is coachable on the finer points of the position, he just hasn't had the time on the field.

He's not one of my top choices for the Browns at 26, but don't be surprised if he goes at the end of the first round.

Out of the Rafters at the Q said:

Oweh's an athlete who currently can't play football.

That's how you get a franchise in trouble--by spending premium assets on guys who aren't good football players.

Personally, on the edge front, I'm still liking the premium fallers. Jaelen Phillips, Gregory Rousseau... that's the kind of player I'd consider at 26.

Assuming that doesn't happen, I really like the idea of Ronnie Perkins later. A three-year starter at Oklahoma, and a guy who is already a really good, productive football player.

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I really like Ronnie Perkins, too.

Oweh gives me too many Mingo vibes. I love the idea of him, and then I just stop thinking about him. I don’t care how new you are to a sport, you should produce at that size/athleticism.

The biggest wildcard in this all is we're not sure how the Browns will see opt-outs -- whether they take them off their board like some teams, or still will consider them...

I continue to believe the Browns will go CB with the current talent at CB, the talent acquired on the defensive line this offseason and the question marks at DE in the first round..

One other trait to consider when looking at edge rushers is the 10 yard split...

Rosseau and Oweh have the traits, but not sure they have the production..

Phillips has the production and traits, but has injury concerns...

Paye likely has a lot of what they're looking for but is not likely to be there and his 10-yard split is not towards the range of where they've tended to like..

Azeez Ojulari is the guy I think they're really hoping to be there... He checks all the boxes of what they're looking for: production, conference, age, athletic traits, clean health + off field...

Otherwise, Basham is a guy I could see them considering as well with his combination of production, athletic testing and skillset, but age and injury history may not make him 1st round worthy in their eyes...

I'm looking at Payton Turner and Joe Ossai as round 2 guys if they go CB in the 1st.. Then Ellerson Smith, Rashad Weaver, Shaka Toney and William Bradley-King as guys in the later rounds...

All you Payton Turner guys... do you see him playing outside or inside?

I really like him as a third or fourth round pick, and would tolerate it as a second round pick, but to me he profiles more as a third-down DT than a first and second-down DE.

He sort of gives me Justin Tuck vibes.

Out of the Rafters at the Q said:

All you Payton Turner guys... do you see him playing outside or inside?

I really like him as a third or fourth round pick, and would tolerate it as a second round pick, but to me he profiles more as a third-down DT than a first and second-down DE.

He sort of gives me Justin Tuck vibes.

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Following. I’m not sure how I feel about him. His body type is really strange. But also, I love Milton Williams... and they profile very similar?

DJTJ said:

Following. I’m not sure how I feel about him. His body type is really strange. But also, I love Milton Williams... and they profile very similar?

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I think Milton has the potential to be an every down DT.

I can't really explain what the difference is. To me, Milton plays more like with his whole body? And Payton Turner is a big athletic body, but just sort of plays with his hands?

I'm coming across stupider by the second so I'll stop here.

Turner dropped a ton of weight and suddenly realized that he could play the EDGE. He plays like an interior player still, so he needs work still. Needs to get his pad level much lower but I see him there.

Milton is going to be a little of everything, imo. Think Michael Bennett or Sheldon Richardson if he lives up to it.

Out of the Rafters at the Q said:

I think Milton has the potential to be an every down DT.

I can't really explain what the difference is. To me, Milton plays more like with his whole body? And Payton Turner is a big athletic body, but just sort of plays with his hands?

I'm coming across stupider by the second so I'll stop here.

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I think this is very spot on, actually. @Amherstcavsfan explained it really well, too.

I think Milton Williams and Alim McNeil are two guys who make a ton of sense for the Browns after the 1st round, and wouldn’t be surprised to see them come away with one..

Based on their profiles, Osa Odighizuwa, Bobby Brown and Darius Stills are two guys I’m watching later on with the Browns...

Smooth said:

I think Milton Williams and Alim McNeil are two guys who make a ton of sense for the Browns after the 1st round, and wouldn’t be surprised to see them come away with one..

Based on their profiles, Osa Odighizuwa (1), Bobby Brown (2) and Darius Stills (3) are two guys I’m watching later on with the Browns...

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I really like all four of those options. I think Osa is a day two pick. I think Bobby Brown can be a later pick.

I'm not familiar with Darius Stills.

I haven’t seen Bobby Browns tape. What round are we looking at?

DJTJ said:

I haven’t seen Bobby Browns tape. What round are we looking at?

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I am surprised you havent seen any video because everybody is talking all this stuff about him.