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Hey, I have no issue with Flash and his life choices, but I can't help but wonder why he had a grudge against the Browns.
What did we do wrong?
 
Have you been a Browns fan for the past twenty years? Because if so, the answer is basically everything.
Oh, we sucked every ass. But how did we do wrong by Flash? We just wanted him to run out there and catch stuff.
 
Oh, we sucked every ass. But how did we do wrong by Flash? We just wanted him to run out there and catch stuff.

I for one would not be shocked to find out that we didn't have the best resources for players struggling mentally until recently. Most of the guys we've chosen to run our teams the last twenty years seem like "suck it up" type of people.
 
I for one would not be shocked to find out that we didn't have the best resources for players struggling mentally until recently. Most of the guys we've chosen to run our teams the last twenty years seem like "suck it up" type of people.
Resources that we were not permitted by league rule to employ? Frankly, I don't think that our dismal Holmgrens et. al. really had the opportunity to do him wrong.
 
I for one would not be shocked to find out that we didn't have the best resources for players struggling mentally until recently. Most of the guys we've chosen to run our teams the last twenty years seem like "suck it up" type of people.
Manziel had his spate of issues. Their time overlapped.

Were they treated differently by the Front Office(s)?

But it appears, to the average fan, they gave him every chance.

Then again, did they offer Gordon the right sort of help?
 
Oh, we sucked every ass. But how did we do wrong by Flash? We just wanted him to run out there and catch stuff.

We didn't give him enough chances? :D

I hated seeing his career go to hell, he had so much talent. To be clear, I totally think weed should be recreationally legal, and de-scheduled federally. Hopefully the NFL and/or other leagues will adjust.

Even here in Ohio though, you can get a medical card and your job fire you for violating drug policy.

I used to smoke in my early 20's and decided I wanted a better job than the $20k entry-IT level job at the time and I knew not being able to pass a test would tank half my job market (the testers and the non-testers). Had to make the choice for my family and my own betterment to not do it.

I get the anxiety stuff, I suffer from it and PTSD. I have a prescription for it. I know some strains can help while others can make it worse, but there are also legal solutions to his ailments. As many have said, there's not a physical addiction to weed, it's very safe; especially considering what's in our medicine cabinets. However, these same guys are prescribed opioids for pain and such and do fine, but we wouldn't accept them using street heroin to self treat either. Somewhat ironically, weed should help lower their opiate usage from the team Dr. as well.

I'd love to see us federally legalize and the utilization be destigmatized. Until then, if you know you're going to get tested, making the choice to go ahead and smoke...he had to know what would happen. This is where you hope his support system can help him out, but his brother, if I recall correctly, was pretty heavy into the weed culture too, right? I seem to remember speculation about him (JG's brother) being Rastafarian? Makes it hard to step away from that if you're surrounded by it.

For the freedom to sell it topic, I see it getting treated and regulated like Alcohol when it's fully legalized. Dosing standards will become a thing. The legalized market has issues w/ experience consistency right now due to it being very difficult to get labs to test your product due to the federal ban. That's really the big domino to fall and after that, the rest can follow.
 
It's tougher with pot which is why so many employers ban use of pot even in off hours -- because they cannot easily confirm when someone is high. I've seen employers have that problem many times, and it frustrates them.
If you can't tell if someone is high, then what is the problem? I don't see the difference between smokers and the two martini lunch gang. You should be judged by performance, not what you might have ingested. With alcohol its obvious. With weed, its still the old drug war stigma where people are afraid of reefer madness.
 
I for one would not be shocked to find out that we didn't have the best resources for players struggling mentally until recently. Most of the guys we've chosen to run our teams the last twenty years seem like "suck it up" type of people.

Would truly be shocking.

The NFL has always shown astute leadership on player health and safety, specifically in the mental health space.

Which is why it took 100 years for a gay player to have the strength and courage to come out in that environment.


If only football players had the mental acuity of some of these message board gurus.
 
If you can't tell if someone is high, then what is the problem? I don't see the difference between smokers and the two martini lunch gang. You should be judged by performance, not what you might have ingested. With alcohol its obvious. With weed, its still the old drug war stigma where people are afraid of reefer madness.

You may very well-suspect/notice they are impaired -- it is proving it to a legal certainty that is the problem. Guy may just claim that he isn't high, maybe that he didn't get much sleep the night before or some other excuse. And if you test him, he'll claim any positive result is from 2 days ago. That's the problem.

If you want to argue that being under the influence of marijuana has zero impact on judgement, coordination, reaction time, etc...well, then I suspect any further discussion would be pointless.
 
You may very well-suspect/notice they are impaired -- it is proving it to a legal certainty that is the problem. Guy may just claim that he isn't high, maybe that he didn't get much sleep the night before or some other excuse. And if you test him, he'll claim any positive result is from 2 days ago. That's the problem.

If you want to argue that being under the influence of marijuana has zero impact on judgement, coordination, reaction time, etc...well, then I suspect any further discussion would be pointless.
I think you may be locked into a Cheech and Chong mindset on people medicating with cannabis. If your work performance is affected, then that's one thing, deal with it on that grounds. But if you're only interested in banning it because you can't test for it or prove it, thats a whole different issue. The whole idea of an employer controlling what you do in your free time is very troubling. Even with legalization, the same tired stigmas remain. Many medical conditions require micro dosing throughout the day. This may disqualify you from some employment, but not most jobs. There is an enormous difference between using and being under the influence.
Or you can just dismiss others as potheads, much easier that way. Your problem is not sufficient to me to justify your solution. I'd rather hire people who do good work, and not concern myself with their private lives.
 
If you can't tell if someone is high, then what is the problem? I don't see the difference between smokers and the two martini lunch gang. You should be judged by performance, not what you might have ingested. With alcohol its obvious. With weed, its still the old drug war stigma where people are afraid of reefer madness.
As someone who drives a DOT regulated truck daily, any type of accident requires us to get drug tested. A positive test automatically results in a suspension of 6 months. Either Alcohol or any other substance, makes no difference.
Obviously, like a pain pill or downing 3/4 beers, smoking a joint is going to impair your judgement. I think this is one of the main reasons as to why it hasn’t been fully legalized, it will cause lots of workplace issues.
 
You may very well-suspect/notice they are impaired -- it is proving it to a legal certainty that is the problem. Guy may just claim that he isn't high, maybe that he didn't get much sleep the night before or some other excuse. And if you test him, he'll claim any positive result is from 2 days ago. That's the problem.

If you want to argue that being under the influence of marijuana has zero impact on judgement, coordination, reaction time, etc...well, then I suspect any further discussion would be pointless.
If a guy is using a tincture instead of smoking it and it’s high CBD content, it could improve everything you described for many people. And it would do it without damaging the lungs. Edibles would be another option.

Weed isn’t just the old shitty joints that it used to be.

NBA players started drinking coffee before games recently. I wouldn’t be shocked if they were mixing a high CBD:THC tincture with it. They’d find that their mental acuity was clearer and likely found it easier to get into “the zone,” and to stay there especially if it took longer for them to get there without another type of enhancer.

Coffee/THC:CBD combo is a game changer. Especially for focus.
 

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