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He left because Warriors fans didn't even apreciate it.

These are things that Cavs fans say to themselves to cope with that whole run.

I promise you that the majority of people do not think and feel this way.

The same way every single one of use cherishes June 19th 2016 yet LeBron, Kyrie, and now Kevin Love are the most hated athletes on this entire board. More than Big Ben and John Elway.

Do you appreciate our title in 2016 less because Draymond couldn't resist hitting LeBron in the nuts and calling him a bitch? Or do we only move the goal post when talking about other teams titles?


Every title matters I remember at the time people were saying that The Spurs title in 1999 wouldn't matter to people as time went by and boy were they wrong. I'm pretty sure that they count all 5 of their titles.

Also I guaran damn tee you that if The New York Knicks would've won that title in 1999 we would never hear the end of it. Guaranteed. You see how easily narratives around titles get shaped?
 
Will the 'fire within' give Collin a 7'3" wingspan? Giannis winning a title should in no way influence the Cavs offseason plans...

I think we pretty much all like him as a person.
Because having fire sets the tone for the team. It makes sure there is progress in a player and he will try to overcome his weaknesses.

The past two seasons giannis was neutralized by the "wall". This year, he figured it out without even having an outside shot threat. He did it by playing smart, driving when he can, posting when he can, cutting and passing out.

No, sexton won't grow his wingspan, but you have a player that most likely figures it out. That should be put into the equation.
 
Y'all really have to stop with the Super Team stuff. There are no Super Teams in the league right now. Not a single one.

There are only 5 Superstar players. LeBron, Steph, KD, Kawhi, and now Giannis. That's it.

People always talk out of both sides of their mouths when talking about Super Teams and it's mostly because you have grudges towards certain players.

Nobody cares if you don't like a certain player or players personally but you can't have it both ways.

Cavs fans of all people really look silly crying about which players play where and what championships matter and which ones don't.

The Nets are not a Super Team. Kyrie and James Harden are not Superstars.

The Clippers are not a Super Team. Paul George is not a Superstar

The Lakers are not a super team. Anthony Davis is not a Superstar.

The Bucks are not a super team. Giannis is the only Superstar.

The Warriors are not a super team. Steph Curry is the only Superstar.

All of those teams have All Stars, MVPs, All NBAers, Champions, Finals MVP's, and max contracts out the ass.

None of them are Super Teams though.

A Super Team is a team with multiple Superstars.

None of those teams have multiple Superstars. The only two teams who can even come close to being considered Super Teams are the 2013 Miami Heat and the 2018 and 2019 Warriors.

When LeBron joined Miami, Wade was already a Finals MVP and a Superstar. LeBron did not have a title before going to Miami. They lost that first year in 2011. He was not cemented as a Superstar until he won that first title in 2012. That's what made the 2013 Heat team a Super team. They had two Superstars at that point and they still lost in 2014 to a team that was not a super team in the 2014 San Antonio Spurs. Tim Duncan was the only superstar on that team.

When KD joined the Warriors Steph Curry was already a superstar. KD was NOT. KD elevated to superstar status after they won in 2017. That made the 2018 and 2019 Warriors a super team. They had two superstarts at that point with KD and Steph.

None of these other teams are super teams and a lot of these players are not superstars. Stop throwing those titles around all willy nilly.

Not to pile on with everyone else but this is dumb. So, it's only a super team if the top 5 players in the world are on it? C'mon man. When you've got a team that has one of those top 5 players, two other all star starters, and bunch of role players who used to be all stars in their prime but can still ball... that's a super team. It's a competitive disadvantage that only 1-2 other teams in the league can contend with over a 7 game series. Whether they're acquired by gutting an entire roster to make room for 2-3 max FA salaries and/or acquiring through trade is irrelevant.
 
These are things that Cavs fans say to themselves to cope with that whole run.

I promise you that the majority of people do not think and feel this way.

The same way every single one of use cherishes June 19th 2016 yet LeBron, Kyrie, and now Kevin Love are the most hated athletes on this entire board. More than Big Ben and John Elway.

Do you appreciate our title in 2016 less because Draymond couldn't resist hitting LeBron in the nuts and calling him a bitch? Or do we only move the goal post when talking about other teams titles?


Every title matters I remember at the time people were saying that The Spurs title in 1999 wouldn't matter to people as time went by and boy were they wrong. I'm pretty sure that they count all 5 of their titles.

Also I guaran damn tee you that if The New York Knicks would've won that title in 1999 we would never hear the end of it. Guaranteed. You see how easily narratives around titles get shaped?

I am comparing what it took from Durant in 17 and 18 and what it took from Giannis just now and there is literally no comparison. Giannis had a 2001 Shaq like performance.

Durant doesn't have a single highlight in 2 finals that compare with multiple highlights from Giannis. He's a great shot maker, but he never had to put the team on his back, he had to hit some shots. He played well, but he played harder in this past Bucks series.

What Giannis did was win the finals while being 16th in ft% as a team and shooting poorly from 3. It is better than anything Durant has done in his career by far.

I think Durant is a great player and a superstar, but what Giannis just did is more impressive than joining a 73 win team. The argument is stupid on its face.
 
Not to pile on with everyone else but this is dumb. So, it's only a super team if the top 5 players in the world are on it? C'mon man. When you've got a team that has one of those top 5 players, two other all star starters, and bunch of role players who used to be all stars in their prime but can still ball... that's a super team. It's a competitive disadvantage that only 1-2 other teams in the league can contend with over a 7 game series. Whether they're acquired by gutting an entire roster to make room for 2-3 max FA salaries and/or acquiring through trade is irrelevant.

Well then I guess Milwaukee is a Super Team then right? Middleton and Holliday are both All Star players on max contracts. Brook Lopez is a role player who is a former All Star too.

Like I said. Y'all throw the term around too loosely.

Fans generally overrate players on some teams that they deem a Super Team and underrate players on other teams that they deem Super Teams.

It's a lot of goal post moving. That's why I said none of these teams are Super teams because none of them have multiple Superstars. therefore no team has an unfair advantage over any other team.

And if what I'm saying wasn't the case The Brooklyn Nets would be the 2021 NBA Champions but they aren't because there are a lot of things that factor into winning a title every year.

You need the right amount of skill, talent, coaching, health, and plain old luck. If that wasn't the case then we would be able to predict the Finals every season.
 
I am comparing what it took from Durant in 17 and 18 and what it took from Giannis just now and there is literally no comparison. Giannis had a 2001 Shaq like performance.

Durant doesn't have a single highlight in 2 finals that compare with multiple highlights from Giannis. He's a great shot maker, but he never had to put the team on his back, he had to hit some shots. He played well, but he played harder in this past Bucks series.

What Giannis did was win the finals while being 16th in ft% as a team and shooting poorly from 3. It is better than anything Durant has done in his career by far.

I think Durant is a great player and a superstar, but what Giannis just did is more impressive than joining a 73 win team. The argument is stupid on its face.

You're also ignoring the team Giannis just went up against.

Like I said. Pick any Cavs Finals team from 2015-2018 and we sweep both of those teams that played last night no questions asked.
 
Yeah, I just don't think it was as impressive as you do. The Lakers got 4 months for old man LeBron to rest up and AD to stay healthy prior to going into the bubble. Their path to the championship was also not that difficult as a bunch of random upsets happened that allowed them to avoid the Clippers and Bucks. It was basically it's own season/tournament that was entirely different from everything that happened in the 2019-20 season before that point. It's not a championship people will remember or care about. Record low ratings. Social justice sayings on the players backs of the jersey and all over the court. I mean, I don't expect LeBron dickriders and Lakers fans to agree, but I don't think most casual fans really think of it as anything more than the Covid-19 Disney Invitational Tournament.

The fact you'd say this year should get an asterisk over last is comical. So, I guess let's give 2019 an asterisk then for the Raptors basically winning because KD and Klay were hurt, or 2016 since Draymond was suspended a game and Bogut was hurt, or 2015 since Kyrie and Love were hurt. Injuries happen every season. The Nets stacked their roster full of extremely talented players, but they knew the risk that most of those guys are often injury prone. Can't cry asterisk because injury prone guys stayed being injury prone. Same with AD and Kawhi. Giannis got hurt and missed a few games too, and his team went 2-0 without him. Proving they're still a damn good team even without one of the best players in the league.

Re-read my full comment:
If we're placing asterisks, I'd put one on the postseason with an unprecedented number of injuries to superstar players. But I don't think we do that - a championship is earned by anyone who gets there.

I think any championship is earned and that no matter the circumstances it is hard to win one. We should know that as well as anyone. I was just saying if you're going to dismiss the Lakers in 2020 for factors out of their control, you can't just ignore what happened this year.

It's pretty clear you don't like LeBron, which is fine of course. But we all have to try to take a step back from bias and evaluate these things for what they are. Ex: I absolutely HATE Durant, but have no problem with he and Kyrie teaming up as free agents with the Nets.
 
I mean seriously though,

2015 Delly would have Middleton in the torture rack out there. Kevin Love is cancelling out Brook Lopez and Bobby Portis by himself. Who's gonna hold TT? Who has an answer for Channing Frye and Jr Smith raining 3's? I got Iman Shumpert coming off the bench to hold Jrue Holliday.

I didn't even mention Kyrie yet..........
 
Doesn't KCP/Harrell/Kuzma work if he opts in? Not saying that's a wise move, but many said AD to LA wouldn't happen either. If an NBA player wants to go somewhere, he typically gets his way.

With that said, obviously no indication he does aside from his friendship with LeBron.

Why in gods name would the Suns take that and trade him to a conference rival lol?

At that point don't the Suns just go "go ahead, dude, and play for the MLE. We can't stop you. But we aren't taking that garbage offer back."
 
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Why in gods name would the Suns take that and trade him to a conference rival lol?
Yeah, nobody wants the Lakers trash heap. That team was ass this season outside of LeBron and AD. Their role players were legitimately horrible. Those guys have little to no value in a trade.
 
Yeah I definitely don’t feel that bubble title was legit at all.. Like the Dodgers in baseball, I don’t really count that as a legit championship..

I don’t care about family and friends not being around and the mental capacity one has to play with in order to lock in..

Damn championship took place in a convention center ballroom..No travel, no time zone change, no fans.. That was garbage..

The dude I kinda feel for is AD.. If that goes down as the only championship he wins it’s pretty damn sad…Wikipedia says it counts but yeah that’s as worthless of a title I have ever witnessed
 
Which playoff series did Durant play as well as Giannis just did in the finals? Giannis just put in one of the most dominant performances ever and KD shot some 3's over guys while being a part of your definition of a super team.

Durant doesn't have half of Giannis' heart. We will see if Durant can come close next year.

I have to give credit where credit is due - KD came close to willing the Nets to a Game 7 win. Literally played every minute of the game. I still don't like him but I respected him more after that one.
 
Why in gods name would the Suns take that and trade him to a conference rival lol?

At that point don't the Suns just go "go ahead, dude, and play for the MLE. We can't stop you. But we aren't taking that garbage offer back."

Because players almost always end up going where they want to. If he opts in and says trade me there, what do they do?
 
Well then I guess Milwaukee is a Super Team then right? Middleton and Holliday are both All Star players on max contracts. Brook Lopez is a role player who is a former All Star too.

Like I said. Y'all throw the term around too loosely.

Fans generally overrate players on some teams that they deem a Super Team and underrate players on other teams that they deem Super Teams.

It's a lot of goal post moving. That's why I said none of these teams are Super teams because none of them have multiple Superstars. therefore no team has an unfair advantage over any other team.

And if what I'm saying wasn't the case The Brooklyn Nets would be the 2021 NBA Champions but they aren't because there are a lot of things that factor into winning a title every year.

You need the right amount of skill, talent, coaching, health, and plain old luck. If that wasn't the case then we would be able to predict the Finals every season.
Well then I guess Milwaukee is a Super Team then right? Middleton and Holliday are both All Star players on max contracts. Brook Lopez is a role player who is a former All Star too.

Like I said. Y'all throw the term around too loosely.

Fans generally overrate players on some teams that they deem a Super Team and underrate players on other teams that they deem Super Teams.

It's a lot of goal post moving. That's why I said none of these teams are Super teams because none of them have multiple Superstars. therefore no team has an unfair advantage over any other team.

And if what I'm saying wasn't the case The Brooklyn Nets would be the 2021 NBA Champions but they aren't because there are a lot of things that factor into winning a title every year.

You need the right amount of skill, talent, coaching, health, and plain old luck. If that wasn't the case then we would be able to predict the Finals every season.

No, Milwaukee is not a super team. They’re a great team that has one of the top 3-5 players in the world in Giannis. Middleton has made two all star games and he was a second rounder drafted and developed by the Bucks. Holiday and Lopez were acquired via trade but they’re both one time all stars, coming way back in 2012-13 for both. They’re a team with ONE superstar, a two time all star reserve, and two other really good starters who made on all star games as reserves almost a decade ago.

If you don’t see how that’s different from KD, Kyrie, Harden, Aldridge, Blake Griff teaming up then I don’t know what the fuck else to tell you.
 
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