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I can see Sexton and Okoro, side-eyeing each other at opposite ends of the practice facility, wondering who will flinch first and hit the showers....
Hopefully Okoro follows the trend of our other young guys improving a lot after absolutely ass rookie seasons lol.
Sexton:
18-19: -4.7 BPM
19-20: -1.8 BPM
20-21: 0.0 BPM
Garland:
19-20: -5.6 BPM
20-21: -1.6 BPM
Okoro:
20-21: -5.0 BPM
And hopefully Mobley comes in a lot more NBA-ready than the three of them. I think in terms of BPM he’ll fall somewhere between -0.5 and 1.5 his rookie year.
They then embraced while covered in sweat, water & shame.I can see Sexton and Okoro, side-eyeing each other at opposite ends of the practice facility, wondering who will flinch first and hit the showers....
Mobley will absolutely be more NBA ready than Sexton. We're not comparing Mobley to this version of Sexton. We're comparing him to the version of Sexton who had a dreadful rookie year. I agree with you in general guard prospects come in more ready than bigs. But Mobley is a much better prospect for a big than Sexton was for a guard.Honestly guard/wing is easier to be NBA ready at a young age vs PF/C.
If you think Mobley will be more NBA ready than Sexton, then you will be disappointed. But I assure you, Mobley has by far the highest ceiling of any Cavs player. And I see paths to all star for Garland, Okoro and Sexton in that order of likelihood, just Mobley is that talented.
Mobley will absolutely be more NBA ready than Sexton. We're not comparing Mobley to this version of Sexton. We're comparing him to the version of Sexton who had a dreadful rookie year. I agree with you in general guard prospects come in more ready than bigs. But Mobley is a much better prospect for a big than Sexton was for a guard.
When you look at the players Mobley resembles in their rookie years:
Garnett (96): 1.0 BPM
Bosh (04): -0.8 BPM
Davis (12): 2.5 BPM
JJJ (19): -0.3 BPM
I don't think it's unreasonable to project that Mobley lands in that -0.5 to 1.5 BPM range.
Any rookie can put up decent counting stats if given the green light though. Sure Sexton's pts/reb/ast splits looked okay, but how efficiently he accumulated those stats and what kind of offensive impact and defensive impact he had on the whole tell the real story. Despite shooting well from 3, Sexton's attempts were low and his overall scoring efficiency of 52% TS was 4% below league average. That's already a bad sign considering Sexton came into the league being able to score and virtually everything else needed work. 3.0 apg and 2.3 topg is awful for a guy in the point role playing 32 mpg. 2.9 rpg is nothing to write home about. He wasn't generating any steals. His on-off was -8.0. He finished 513/515 in RPM with a -5.28 mark. 691/698 in RAPM with a -3.50. His RAPTOR Wins Above Replacement placed him dead last in the NBA at 530th (-7.4). His WS/48 was negative. His BPM of -4.7 was near the bottom for qualified players. And Sexton had constant complaining directed his way with accusations of not knowing how to play basketball and fit into a team concept.Colin shot 40% from 3 and scored 16.7 points a game 3 rebs and 3 assists. I know you are using advanced stats, but calling Sexton's rookie year dreadful is way off base. As far as rookie years go it was excellent. As far as starting pg's in the NBA, it was bad, but he was a combo guard playing out of position as a rookie.
Any rookie can put up decent counting stats if given the green light though. Sure Sexton's pts/reb/ast splits looked okay, but how efficiently he accumulated those stats and what kind of offensive impact and defensive impact he had on the whole tell the real story. Despite shooting well from 3, Sexton's attempts were low and his overall scoring efficiency of 52% TS was 4% below league average. That's already a bad sign considering Sexton came into the league being able to score and virtually everything else needed work. 3.0 apg and 2.3 topg is awful for a guy in the point role playing 32 mpg. 2.9 rpg is nothing to write home about. He wasn't generating any steals. His on-off was -8.0. He finished 513/515 in RPM with a -5.28 mark. 691/698 in RAPM with a -3.50. His RAPTOR Wins Above Replacement placed him dead last in the NBA at 530th (-7.4). His WS/48 was negative. His BPM of -4.7 was near the bottom for qualified players. And Sexton had constant complaining directed his way with accusations of not knowing how to play basketball and fit into a team concept.
I think you're taking this too personally. Sexton was by all accounts a very strong negative on the court as a rookie. But fortunately he's made major improvements since then, getting better every season, which isn't surprising given his work ethic.
Those coaches would be wrong then. Nothing supports the idea that Sexton was good his rookie year outside of non-specific descriptors like "showed killer instinct" or "fearless scorer." Sure, he improved as the season went on, but on the whole the data overwhelmingly supports the idea that he was very rough on the whole and a big reason why the Cavs finished 30th/30th in SRS/tied for the 2nd worst record in the league. It's okay to be bad as a rookie! Again, he's improved since then and lots of guys come into the league being a huge negative before they adjust and learn how to contribute to winning ball games. I'm still relatively not the biggest Sexton fan either, but I'm impressed he's improved as much as he has.I am not a huge Sexton fan. He is too good to give away, but he isnt a do the little things well type of player. What he does well DOES make the stat sheets. Okoro is kind of the opposite type player.
I am just saying you ask most NBA coaches and they will not say Sexton had a horrible rookie year., in fact I doubt you find one that calls Sexton's rookie year even bad.
Those coaches would be wrong then. Nothing supports the idea that Sexton was good his rookie year outside of non-specific descriptors like "showed killer instinct" or "fearless scorer." Sure, he improved as the season went on, but on the whole the data overwhelmingly supports the idea that he was very rough on the whole and a big reason why the Cavs finished 30th/30th in SRS/tied for the 2nd worst record in the league. It's okay to be bad as a rookie! Again, he's improved since then and lots of guys come into the league being a huge negative before they adjust and learn how to contribute to winning ball games. I'm still relatively not the biggest Sexton fan either, but I'm impressed he's improved as much as he has.
Agree to disagree lol. If you had any kinds of stats that support your case outside of ppg, which is a product of opportunity and which he didn't achieve efficiently, that would help. But they don't exist. Raw ppg aren't so valuable if you're scoring at an efficiency below replacement level. The Cavs on the whole scored on 54% TS while Sexton scored on 52% TS. The Cavs mustered a 12.2% TOV rate while Sexton posted a 12.3% TOV rate. Sexton was pretty inarguably the worst defender on the team imo, though I'm sure you saw him as an average defender lol. Sexton's AST/TO ratio was 1.31 while the Cavs' on the whole was 1.54.He was good for a rookie his rookie year. Thus he had a good rookie year. Not suggesting he was an all star or anywhere close as a rookie.
Advanced stats tend to be unkind to everyone on a bad team.
That’s the kind of team and culture Koby wanted to create. It took some time but from here it’s going to be fun with these guys and see how they develop as a team.Yep. We know that to pretty much be the same for Sexton as well. Not sure on Garland but I wouldn't be surprised if he's the same way. Allen probably too but he won't be working out with the team and risking injury until his free agency/extension is sorted out.
When you talk about Mobley, Okoro, Sexton, Garland, and Allen, it actually is a great core personalities and hard workers. Obviously, a longer wing is necessary and at some point, the likely could benefit from one wild card, edgier dude but that can wait until the culture is established and 100% solid