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2020-2021 Cavs Season General Discussion

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The real issue for this team is getting more three point shooting from the frontcourt, and Forbes doesn't help us there.
Hell, why stop at front court? We could use some shooting everywhere.

Considering Windler can’t stay healthy enough to get a real role, you could argue that the only really good outside shooter in our entire rotation is Darius Garland.
 
Hell, why stop at front court? We could use some shooting everywhere.

Considering Windler can’t stay healthy enough to get a real role, you could argue that the only really good outside shooter in our entire rotation is Darius Garland.

I'm considering backcourt 1-2, frontcourt 3-5.

And I think Sexton is a good three point shooter. His percentage dipped a bit after he got hurt and played through it, but he's close to 40%. He may need to be coached in terms of taking more of them, but he can shoot the 3.

The reality is that if we're projecting Okoro and Mobley as starters, outside shooting needs to come from them. Which kind of means we're going to have to suffer through weak shooting for awhile unless/until it develops.
 
I mean sure we can go dig up Jason Kapono or Andrew Goudelock. I don't think we can just sign any rando 3pt shooter if they are hard to fit otherwise. We already have one of those in Dotson. I would prefer we get guys who can actually play. I think our shooting this year will be a lot better from internal improvement anyway, its not like these players are static over the offseason. Healthy Windler, higher volume of attempts from Sexland, Mobley, Love for 20 mpg in 15 games, and Okoro with an offseason of practice tells me this is not going to be as big an issue as you think.

You had me at "Healthy Windler." :chuckle:
 
I'm considering backcourt 1-2, frontcourt 3-5.

And I think Sexton is a good three point shooter. His percentage dipped a bit after he got hurt and played through it, but he's close to 40%. He may need to be coached in terms of taking more of them, but he can shoot the 3.

The reality is that if we're projecting Okoro and Mobley as starters, outside shooting needs to come from them. Which kind of means we're going to have to suffer through weak shooting for awhile unless/until it develops.
Sexton has been a much better shooter than advertised, but it’s still like pulling teeth to get him to take them. And as he’s taken more of them, his percentage is also dropping because that’s the difference from taking wide open set threes when left alone to starting to take ones that are more contested

37% on 4 attempts per night is nothing to sneeze at, but he more or less shoots when left entirely open to do so because they’re sagging off, worried to let him drive by. To his credit, he’s starting to turn more of those long open two’s into three point attempts.

Even still, I think it’s fair to say he’s the 2nd best shooter on our team of guys that get real minutes, and he himself hates to take them. What does that say about our team’s shooting as a whole?
 
Who cares if Windler is healthy, the guy is a revolving door defensively and if he's every playable it's only gonna be if he turns his body into a Joe Harris type, which took like, what, 5 years? Go ahead and convince yourselves he's playable, but he's not. Same situation as Zizic. Even if they are healthy they're just not good enough to be anything but end-of-the-bench players in the NBA. Cavs need to add a 3.
 
Who cares if Windler is healthy, the guy is a revolving door defensively and if he's every playable it's only gonna be if he turns his body into a Joe Harris type, which took like, what, 5 years? Go ahead and convince yourselves he's playable, but he's not. Same situation as Zizic. Even if they are healthy they're just not good enough to be anything but end-of-the-bench players in the NBA. Cavs need to add a 3.
It’s a good thing you sell ice cream for a living. With this lazy take, I’d be pretty worried if you were “cavs personnel man.” :chuckle:

Windler is actually pretty solid defensively when he’s healthy. It wouldn’t hurt him to add some weight, but he’s just a different body type entirely from Joe Harris.

I don’t think you count on him at all given his health, but if he does put together a healthy season, he absolutely would help this team. He’s a much better athlete than people seem to give him credit for.
 
Who cares if Windler is healthy, the guy is a revolving door defensively and if he's every playable it's only gonna be if he turns his body into a Joe Harris type, which took like, what, 5 years? Go ahead and convince yourselves he's playable, but he's not. Same situation as Zizic. Even if they are healthy they're just not good enough to be anything but end-of-the-bench players in the NBA. Cavs need to add a 3.
They did that in the 2020 draft lol
 
Windler will be 25 this season. Obviously his career has been very short, so it's a limited sample size, but so far he's shooting 33.8% from three.

So you have a guy who's older than Devin Booker, has just alright measurements for a SF and isn't especially athletic, is shooting 3% below league average from 3 when that's essentially his one specialty, and doesn't do anything else at an even average level. Oh, and he's only been available for 31/137 games in his first 2 seasons. I don't even think about the guy when it comes to contemplating the future of this roster. If he ends up giving us anything, it'll be a pleasant surprise.
 
Okoro’s length suggests he’s a SG rather than a SF. The Cavs would probably be better served getting someone longer to play SF.
Sure why not , except they didn't and so they probably won't .
I mean they just traded away a player that fit that mold in Prince.
IMO Okoro is more than capable of becoming a solid defender, of the average NBA SF. His athleticism is not maxed out yet, and his length is not substandard or something. Would it be easier on him if he had a 7'3 wingspan instead of 6'8.5" and a 9' standing reach instead of 8.5 etc. Maybe it would be even more impressive if Okoro was a better athlete, which is kind of funny since he is an near elite level athlete especially as a lateral mover. I think people need to chill on this notion he must be moving to the sg role, because of the plethora of issues with the Cavs, Sexland defense, or Sexton wanting paid with Tunnel eyes. I also think it is kind of opposite of Okoro's path to success offensively to make him play off ball, when he clearly was most effective on ball late in the season while Garland tanked it out.
 
It’s a good thing you sell ice cream for a living. With this lazy take, I’d be pretty worried if you were “cavs personnel man.” :chuckle:

Windler is actually pretty solid defensively when he’s healthy. It wouldn’t hurt him to add some weight, but he’s just a different body type entirely from Joe Harris.

I don’t think you count on him at all given his health, but if he does put together a healthy season, he absolutely would help this team. He’s a much better athlete than people seem to give him credit for.
If we add a shooter on the front court (McBuckets) that would spell the end of Windler’s Cavalier career
 
I think Forbes makes some sense for the Cavs. He'd be competing for the Cedi, Windler, Dotson minutes, which are basically wide open, and I think you can play him with any of our other guards. He would be more of a situational guy you bring in based on matchups. The roster needs shooting and he can really shoot it so in this case I would say, beggars can't be choosers.

Edit: Also, if the Cavs trade Sexton for a wing, then Forbes becomes a perfect fit as a shooter off the bench.
 
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I think Forbes makes some sense for the Cavs. He'd be competing for the Cedi, Windler, Dotson minutes,
Forbes is small, with a 6'5" wingspan. There's no universe in which he can play small forward as can Cedi or Windler, or even Dotson (in a pinch). He is exclusively a backcourt player, and any minutes he would play are going to come from Garland, Sexton, and Rubio.
 
Forbes is small, with a 6'5" wingspan. There's no universe in which he can play small forward as can Cedi or Windler, or even Dotson (in a pinch). He is exclusively a backcourt player, and any minutes he would play are going to come from Garland, Sexton, and Rubio.
Yeah, he's a shooting guard, he would be competing for mins at SG with the players I mentioned. I didn't say anything about him playing SF.
 

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