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MLB Tr has speculated via the Akron Beacon Journal that the Indians have a decision to make about Amed as the SS for 2022... (this tidbit so the non-wild trade speculation comments have validity)..

Here is the link: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021...os-future.html/comment-page-1#comment-2339198

Supersub makes a lot of sense.. a lot of sense indeed.. It also means someone from within the system is ready to step up... Trading him when he's inexpensive and doesn't have an immediate replacement (yet).. might not be what the Tribe is ready to do.. but there is no doubt.. this team is not ready to compete in its current transition state..
 
Gson said:
MLB Tr has speculated via the Akron Beacon Journal that the Indians have a decision to make about Amed as the SS for 2022... (this tidbit so the non-wild trade speculation comments have validity)..

Here is the link: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021...os-future.html/comment-page-1#comment-2339198

Supersub makes a lot of sense.. a lot of sense indeed.. It also means someone from within the system is ready to step up... Trading him when he's inexpensive and doesn't have an immediate replacement (yet).. might not be what the Tribe is ready to do.. but there is no doubt.. this team is not ready to compete in its current transition state..
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13th SS in the majors. That sounds exactly right.
 
Criznit said:
The Reds would laugh at that deal. Winker is a top 10ish NL talent under control until 2024. No way that is an overpay. That site is good at times but, no this time.

Current line:
109 G481PA420AB77R129H32 2B1 3B24 HR71 RBI1 SB0 CS53 BB75 K.307.395.560.955143 OPS+
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Pump the brakes Criz. I think you're jumping the gun on Winker a bit. Until this season he has been a platoon bat that struggled to even get half a season's worth of AB. You're basically selling Winker at peak value and Plesac at his low point. To throw in Gimenez would be an overpay. Adding Rocchio would be a definite hell no.

Winker has had a helluva season, but I don't think the Indians are into overpaying for a player without much of a track record. I'll be the first to tell you that it could be a regrettable decision, then again........
 
sportscoach said:
@CATS44 @DCTribefan

He's not a good SS and I doubt he will be a good 2B cause of the same reasons why he isn't a good 2B. He's probably going to be best in the OF honestly...

Now it's not much different than the Giles for Rincon trade (which I wouldn't have done since I liked Giles more than I do with Amed). It's not a best case scenario, so I don't think it would happen, but it would depend on who we could get back as well..
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Can't get behind Amed not being able to play a good 2B, even if unspectacular. He has a strong arm, but most of his defensive issues seem to be transferring the ball while moving. Most of the throws from 2B are more stationary, including the double play. I by no means would expect him to be a GG caliber 2B, but I'd bet that he's better at 2B than SS for the shear fact that 2B is easier to play.
 
CDAV45 said:
Can't get behind Amed not being able to play a good 2B, even if unspectacular. He has a strong arm, but most of his defensive issues seem to be transferring the ball while moving. Most of the throws from 2B are more stationary, including the double play. I by no means would expect him to be a GG caliber 2B, but I'd bet that he's better at 2B than SS for the shear fact that 2B is easier to play.
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I would bet once he got the Innings, he would be at least average of not above in the OF...

We have so many guys though on the roster and coming up that can play 2B, that we are not going to play any of them for a guy who isn't a long term player on this roster... Hence why I think he gets moved.
 
sportscoach said:
I would bet once he got the Innings, he would be at least average of not above in the OF...

We have so many guys though on the roster and coming up that can play 2B, that we are not going to play any of them for a guy who isn't a long term player on this roster... Hence why I think he gets moved.
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He's not needed in the OF Coach and he certainly isn't a corner OFer. If he's not a MIFer then he needs to be dealt because that's where his value lies for this organization.

We can say we have a plethora of MIFers until the cows come home, but having one swing the bat like Amed has this year is another story altogether.
 
I'm getting the feeling that Freeman and Jones are not being considered capable of competing with Rosario for a starting spot here. So why not trade those two?
 
DJJOE said:
I'm getting the feeling that Freeman and Jones are not being considered capable of competing with Rosario for a starting spot here. So why not trade those two?
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See that's the thing, I am considering them to be able to get a spot...

CDAV45 said:
He's not needed in the OF Coach and he certainly isn't a corner OFer. If he's not a MIFer then he needs to be dealt because that's where his value lies for this organization.

We can say we have a plethora of MIFers until the cows come home, but having one swing the bat like Amed has this year is another story altogether.
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Stop doing position profile since Brantley doesn't fit a corner OF via your definitions...
 
sportscoach said:
See that's the thing, I am considering them to be able to get a spot...



Stop doing position profile since Brantley doesn't fit a corner OF via your definitions...
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I'm not going to stop profiling anything, and Brantley's bat profiles a helluva lot better in the corner than Amed's. Jesus Christ Coach. Pay attention to what is actually going on and quit trying to implement your 1970's style of baseball into today's game. Write this down. They will not fucking play Amed Rosario in a corner OF.

I love it when you try to use Brantley as an example when he is clearly a rare hitter. Amed is no Michael Brantley. You do realize that don't you?
 
DJJOE said:
I'm getting the feeling that Freeman and Jones are not being considered capable of competing with Rosario for a starting spot here. So why not trade those two?
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Freeman just had shoulder surgery(non-throwing) and ended his season in AA. While he is certainly capable of cracking the MLB roster next season, I doubt it will be before the AS break. Jones is not a MIFer so no need to compare him to Amed. That's not to say they can't or won't move Jones and/or Freeman, but having Amed on the roster doesn't really influence the decision IMO.
 
CDAV45 said:
I'm not going to stop profiling anything, and Brantley's bat profiles a helluva lot better in the corner than Amed's. Jesus Christ Coach. Pay attention to what is actually going on and quit trying to implement your 1970's style of baseball into today's game. Write this down. They will not fucking play Amed Rosario in a corner OF.

I love it when you try to use Brantley as an example when he is clearly a rare hitter. Amed is no Michael Brantley. You do realize that don't you?
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I do know that, but if you look at the numbers for Brantley, Amed and Brantley have almost the same numbers in their age 25 season outside of SO numbers.... Brantley has only had 20 HRs twice in his career, which by your definition is something a LF must do every single season. You say you stay with profiling but guys like Merrifield, Brantley etc are very productive players that don't fit into that mold you have. Indians/Guardians if you haven't noticed don't go by your profiling and that's what matters at the end of the day...
 
CDAV45 said:
Pump the brakes Criz. I think you're jumping the gun on Winker a bit. Until this season he has been a platoon bat that struggled to even get half a season's worth of AB. You're basically selling Winker at peak value and Plesac at his low point. To throw in Gimenez would be an overpay. Adding Rocchio would be a definite hell no.

Winker has had a helluva season, but I don't think the Indians are into overpaying for a player without much of a track record. I'll be the first to tell you that it could be a regrettable decision, then again........
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if you can get Winker for Plesac and Gimenez, do that yesterday.
 
sportscoach said:
I do know that, but if you look at the numbers for Brantley, Amed and Brantley have almost the same numbers in their age 25 season outside of SO numbers.... Brantley has only had 20 HRs twice in his career, which by your definition is something a LF must do every single season. You say you stay with profiling but guys like Merrifield, Brantley etc are very productive players that don't fit into that mold you have. Indians/Guardians if you haven't noticed don't go by your profiling and that's what matters at the end of the day...
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They don't go by "my profiling" because they haven't had the personnel to do so, but they've tried. What they haven't done is put MIFers in a corner OF. We have Jones, Gonzalez, and a few other prospects inching closer. They're hoping Zimmer can tap into the power he had shown before. HRam is a goner. Mercado is treading water. Johnson has shown good power throughout his minor league career. If you hadn't noticed, they tried Amed in CF in ST and then at the deadline acquired Straw. Amed isn't playing a corner OF regardless of how much you pine for it. It makes absolutely 0 sense to do that unless what they currently have is so atrocious to warrant such an odd move, or they cannot acquire a bat. We didn't even mention Naylor who I don't really care for, but he's more of a corner OF than Amed.
 
Criznit said:
if you can get Winker for Plesac and Gimenez, do that yesterday.
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You wouldn't hear me complain, but would you have traded Plesac for Winker last year or after the 2019 season? My point is that Zach is obviously having an off year with the injury and all. I think his value is at its lowest point since he debuted. I'd like to see him recover a bit, but that's just me. Also, I hate platoon bats and Winker is the epitome of a platoon bat. His career numbers vs LHP are atrocious.
 
I think Amed's defensive value totals have been heavily skewed due to attempting to play CF for 14 games. He looks like a middle-of-the-pack defender with actual offensive value. I don't think he's in Gimenez' class defensively, and if Andres starts to hit, I'd love to see Amed moved to 2B in 2022. Otherwise, we're better off leaving him alone until a better SS appears.
Amed actually hits LHP well enough to be a platoon corner. This might be something to consider in about 8 years. As of now, he's a better shortstop than a lot of pretty good ballplayers and he'll stay there until a ballplayer who's actually better comes along. We have a problem at 2B, (plus a few other places) and it makes no sense to turn it into a problem at SS.
 
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