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Anthony Schwartz - Former Brown

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Jack Brickman said:
I remember hearing a take on a podcast that I totally agreed with. If Schwartz had gone to Alabama instead of Auburn, he’s a first round pick.
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If he doesn't play with Bo Nix, I do wonder how his college career would have gone.

He looked great yesterday. He stays on his feet for the deep pass, we are talking legendary status.

Also, hot take, but he might be our 2nd best outside WR already. I was so disappointed in DPJ yesterday, looked slow.
 
Amherstcavsfan said:
If he doesn't play with Bo Nix, I do wonder how his college career would have gone.

He looked great yesterday. He stays on his feet for the deep pass, we are talking legendary status.

Also, hot take, but he might be our 2nd best outside WR already. I was so disappointed in DPJ yesterday, looked slow.
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I was tremendously disappointed in him before I found out the rule on the punt lol.

I thought I had watched a Leon Lett-esque play.
 
The Oi said:
I was tremendously disappointed in him before I found out the rule on the punt lol.

I thought I had watched a Leon Lett-esque play.
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If I recall the ball was downed before he touches it. But it seemed brain dead to touch it regardless because Refs are humans and make mistakes all the time. Like the Harrison ejection. They just suck sometimes so why leave it to chance. Yaknow?
 
MattyFos. said:
If I recall the ball was downed before he touches it. But it seemed brain dead to touch it regardless because Refs are humans and make mistakes all the time. Like the Harrison ejection. They just suck sometimes so why leave it to chance. Yaknow?
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After clarifying.......it actually is an extremely heady play by the rule book. It is basically a get out of jail free card.

Once the defense makes contact with the ball, the ball is awarded to the receiving team. By the rule book, the touching of the ball by KC is actually "illegal touching"......so at that point, the Browns have two options:

1. They can take the ball at the spot of the illegal touch
2. They can take the result of the play

The returning team can effectively do whatever they want without penalty, if the ball has already been touched but not "downed".

This sounds insane but even if if DPJ rips the ball away, runs around in the endzone and is tackled, it isn't a safety. The Browns just take the ball at the 1.

It was a real bang bang play, which made it jarring......but it was very obvious DPJ absolutely knew the rule. And tried to steal some field position.
 
I'mWithDan said:
After clarifying.......it actually is an extremely heady play by the rule book. It is basically a get out of jail free card.

Once the defense makes contact with the ball, the ball is awarded to the receiving team. By the rule book, the touching of the ball by KC is actually "illegal touching"......so at that point, the Browns have two options:

1. They can take the ball at the spot of the illegal touch
2. They can take the result of the play

The returning team can effectively do whatever they want without penalty, if the ball has already been touched but not "downed".

This sounds insane but even if if DPJ rips the ball away, runs around in the endzone and is tackled, it isn't a safety. The Browns just take the ball at the 1.

It was a real bang bang play, which made it jarring......but it was very obvious DPJ absolutely knew the rule. And tried to steal some field position.
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Bingo.

If DPJ picks the ball up and fumbles it to the Chiefs, the ball still goes back to the Browns at the 1.

It's one of the true no-risk plays in football outside of the possibility of injury which exists on every play.
 
I'mWithDan said:
After clarifying.......it actually is an extremely heady play by the rule book. It is basically a get out of jail free card.

Once the defense makes contact with the ball, the ball is awarded to the receiving team. By the rule book, the touching of the ball by KC is actually "illegal touching"......so at that point, the Browns have two options:

1. They can take the ball at the spot of the illegal touch
2. They can take the result of the play

The returning team can effectively do whatever they want without penalty, if the ball has already been touched but not "downed".

This sounds insane but even if if DPJ rips the ball away, runs around in the endzone and is tackled, it isn't a safety. The Browns just take the ball at the 1.

It was a real bang bang play, which made it jarring......but it was very obvious DPJ absolutely knew the rule. And tried to steal some field position.
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I read something about the "rule" in the game thread yest and it wasn't broken down like this. So thank you.
 
MattyFos. said:
If I recall the ball was downed before he touches it. But it seemed brain dead to touch it regardless because Refs are humans and make mistakes all the time. Like the Harrison ejection. They just suck sometimes so why leave it to chance. Yaknow?
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re the Harrison ejection… That was totally on Harrison right? You can’t get away with hitting a coach. The coach was pushing him off his guy which happens pretty often. He was probably a little aggro about it but Harrison shoved him hard. The minute I saw that I knew he’d get penalized.
 
The Oi said:
re the Harrison ejection… That was totally on Harrison right? You can’t get away with hitting a coach. The coach was pushing him off his guy which happens pretty often. He was probably a little aggro about it but Harrison shoved him hard. The minute I saw that I knew he’d get penalized.
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I look at it the other way around…a coach from an opposing team should never lay hands on a player.
 
What I thought was interesting is that if you look at how KC user Hill a LOT last year for chunk plays, we used Schwartz.

Running deep post/crossing routes and making the safety choose. KC does it, almost exclusively, with Kelce as the underneath. The Browns seemingly have circumvented that with it coming off of play action.
 
Jack Brickman said:
I look at it the other way around…a coach from an opposing team should never lay hands on a player.
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Agreed entirely.

I barely played organized sports growing up. If an adult coach pushed me, I’d 100% have pushed back. Coach is probably even more at fault.

I’ll ignore the eye for an eye because they wouldn’t have been, but yeah. If a Browns coach pushes a player I hope Kevin cans them.
 
Jack Brickman said:
I look at it the other way around…a coach from an opposing team should never lay hands on a player.
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Yeah that's my perspective on it as well. Coach shouldn't get involved and it wasn't a pull a guy off involvement. It was a shove. So yes he deserved to get shoved back. You can't put your hands on a player than clutch your pearls when he responds in kind.

I also don't think there was malicious intent on the stepping on the other player. Looked accidental to me.

I recognize there may be bias here but that's my perspective of it.

@The Oi
 
The Oi said:
re the Harrison ejection… That was totally on Harrison right? You can’t get away with hitting a coach. The coach was pushing him off his guy which happens pretty often. He was probably a little aggro about it but Harrison shoved him hard. The minute I saw that I knew he’d get penalized.
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I'm ok with a 15yd penalty but the ejection was unjust in my mind.
 
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